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[guffedk]

Some of my game say This game was not found in the crc database, sorry in XDVDMuletter beta 10 2 are my backup so good or bad? But SS are Good in the Kreon program

This post has been edited by guffedk: Dec 3 2007, 06:16 PM

[Havok]

QUOTE(just3847 @ Dec 3 2007, 04:27 AM)

well this right here blows this possibility right out of the water then, no? According to him, he was banned and never touched the system with a backup that has a bad SS. So then that can't be the flaw right??

Xtreme v1.6 is very old firmware and has none of the newer protections.  He is banned for not keeping his firmware up to date.

[Ken_D]

If I understand things correctly (and with due apologies if I've got this wrong): the first "wave" of bans was caused by backups missing DMI, PFI etc. Regardless of whether the box was connected to XBL, the 360's kernel would spot the missing components on the disc and mark the console for banning. The next time the user connected to XBL, the ban 'order' was uploaded and the console banned shortly afterwards.

However, this time - assuming the theory is correct - MS is checking for specific data on the disc. Would it make sense to assume, therefore, that the SS check can only be done when the user is connected to XBL - uploading the SS of every disc booted to XBL for checking against MS's master "known good" list? *If* the SS's are being checked, the only other way I could see them doing it was holding a cache of "known good" SS's on every 360, perhaps auto-updated when the user signs on.

A question worth asking would be: was anyone banned after playing backups _offline_?

[Worseley]

QUOTE(Ken_D @ Dec 3 2007, 11:19 AM)

If I understand things correctly (and with due apologies if I've got this wrong): the first "wave" of bans was caused by backups missing DMI, PFI etc. Regardless of whether the box was connected to XBL, the 360's kernel would spot the missing components on the disc and mark the console for banning. The next time the user connected to XBL, the ban 'order' was uploaded and the console banned shortly afterwards.

However, this time - assuming the theory is correct - MS is checking for specific data on the disc. Would it make sense to assume, therefore, that the SS check can only be done when the user is connected to XBL - uploading the SS of every disc booted to XBL for checking against MS's master "known good" list? *If* the SS's are being checked, the only other way I could see them doing it was holding a cache of "known good" SS's on every 360, perhaps auto-updated when the user signs on.

A question worth asking would be: was anyone banned after playing backups _offline_?

Well I cant be for sure... but storing a log of SS shouldn't be very hard when a SS is only 2kb... they could focus on just 50 games and still keep the log under 100kb and thats without summary or cursor glances that'll compress it further

[Havok]

QUOTE(Ken_D @ Dec 3 2007, 12:19 PM)

If I understand things correctly (and with due apologies if I've got this wrong): the first "wave" of bans was caused by backups missing DMI, PFI etc. Regardless of whether the box was connected to XBL, the 360's kernel would spot the missing components on the disc and mark the console for banning. The next time the user connected to XBL, the ban 'order' was uploaded and the console banned shortly afterwards.

However, this time - assuming the theory is correct - MS is checking for specific data on the disc. Would it make sense to assume, therefore, that the SS check can only be done when the user is connected to XBL - uploading the SS of every disc booted to XBL for checking against MS's master "known good" list? *If* the SS's are being checked, the only other way I could see them doing it was holding a cache of "known good" SS's on every 360, perhaps auto-updated when the user signs on.

A question worth asking would be: was anyone banned after playing backups _offline_?

That is a great question to be answered but people seldom understand the concept of offline.  OFFLINE means the network cable is disconnected any time a backup is near the system.  

Many people leave the cable in and think they are offline because they played a single player game.. obviously not true.

[DMAddict]

QUOTE(Havok @ Dec 3 2007, 09:28 AM)

That is a great question to be answered but people seldom understand the concept of offline.  OFFLINE means the network cable is disconnected any time a backup is near the system.  

Many people leave the cable in and think they are offline because they played a single player game.. obviously not true.

I was just thinking about this. So would it be true that along with a network cable plugged in you would also have to have some sort of Live account, be it gold or silver to be considered online? It would seem logical to me. I don't play on Live or even have an account, but I do stream movies/music through the 360. I think I have answered my own question.

[caster420]

QUOTE(Ken_D @ Dec 3 2007, 12:19 PM)

However, this time - assuming the theory is correct - MS is checking for specific data on the disc. Would it make sense to assume, therefore, that the SS check can only be done when the user is connected to XBL - uploading the SS of every disc booted to XBL for checking against MS's master "known good" list? *If* the SS's are being checked, the only other way I could see them doing it was holding a cache of "known good" SS's on every 360, perhaps auto-updated when the user signs on.

For this specific issue, they dont need a cache of "known good" SS's.  Only the value of one byte in these SS's determines if it is good or bad, based off of this recent discovery by C4e.  So, they dont NEED to know if the rest of the SS data is good or bad, they can simply see if the response of this single byte is within the range that it should.  This would be very easy to check on every SS without any sort of database.

Caster.

This post has been edited by caster420: Dec 3 2007, 06:45 PM

[angrypond]

halo 3 good
cod4 good

orange box bad ss


banned

[sweethip]

looks like my cod 4 rip comes up with Bad Kreon Rip.  tried to autofix, reloaded my SS.bin into  KreonChecker and it still comes back with a bad Krean Rip..  so im assuming that we have to wait for a new fix inorder to re-rip our games?? correct?

Is there a way we can do this now..without waiting for a fix.

BTW,

i have not been banned either...but i only play COD4 about twice a week

[da3dl3us]

To clarify, since this bad SS is produced in random by the kreon drive, we essential have to re-rip our originals until the drive produces a backup with a good SS.  Or is it that drive will always produce that bad SS, and you just got random bad luck?

[Wargrip]

Quick q relating to this...

If you have already played some backups that are now deemed to be dangerous (offline - never had the network plugged in... ever) do you think it would be worth it or necessary to format the drive or clear the drive cache before you go online for the first time (after which you only play verified backups) or do you think they store this SS cache (if it even exists) somewhere besides the HDD (anyone with a core system been banned while playing offline?)

[burpy]

- Golden Compass - bad SS

[House of EL]

Bad SS - Mass Effect

Played while xbox was not connected(was unplugged) except during one instance to check my live connection, in which the game was only in the drive, and not being played.

Not banned yet

Also mulleter as of now still does not fix my mass effect properly, yet still gives me an "ok"

Apparently its something with the ini files not being updated and still referring to bad ss files, so those of you who have bad rips will just have to wait for now.

And remember once this is fixed, you will need to clear to stealth files folder in mulleter so that the "bad" files aren't there anymore. Or you can simply uninstall/reinstall.

[HackMy360]

QUOTE(evans112682 @ Dec 3 2007, 01:39 AM)

are these the only 3 backups you have played on that console?

No...
HALO3 good SS
NBA2K7 good SS

but only call of duty 4 was played online but I think I was banned based on the backups because I had been playing on live for about 6 months all with original games and no ban.. COD4 comes out and I get online with it 1 week later BAN!

QUOTE(SomeDudeWhack @ Dec 3 2007, 02:13 AM)

no it doesn't.... he has an OLLLDD firmware, he never stated ALL games he has played... and with a firmware that old.. he has most definitely played some older games w/o the stealths..... so this guys post should just be ignored until he posts more information...

These are all the games I have played all the rest are originals but only COD4 was played online
and whenever I used a backup I would disconnect from live. Yea I know I had old firmware but ixtreme wasn't available at the time I have a hitachi 78

This post has been edited by HackMy360: Dec 3 2007, 07:34 PM

[kalon]

Drive: 163A, Kreon v1.00 firmware

360: iXtreme 1.2c, Samsung MS28

Bad rip: Assassin's Creed, played from start to finish while logged into Live

Not banned (yet).

I've tested all of my other discs (which include most of the "problematic" rips mentioned in this thread), and they're all good. I have never put a disc in my 360 that wasn't properly authored, or that had bad DMI/PFI, etc.

This post has been edited by kalon: Dec 3 2007, 07:38 PM