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[hotrodxlr8r]

QUOTE(itchy chode @ Nov 25 2007, 11:10 AM)

are you really retarded?

firmware is just code, it has nothing to do with overheating.

i'd say its just a case of really really bad luck.

mnnn. but doesnt the motherboard read info from the dvd drive and therefore use that to produce error codes for specific faults...? if so, then firmware has a LOT to do with 3 red lights ? ...just an idea.

[the soul poet]

QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 25 2007, 11:13 PM)

mnnn. but doesnt the motherboard read info from the dvd drive and therefore use that to produce error codes for specific faults...? if so, then firmware has a LOT to do with 3 red lights ? ...just an idea.

Yes it does but in my case fixing X-clamps restored it to glory and still running to this day (4 months or so).


I don't think its fw related just posted cause mine did the same after 2 weeks from flashing ixtreme 1.2 out of the box.

[hotrodxlr8r]

QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 26 2007, 12:32 PM)

Yes it does but in my case fixing X-clamps restored it to glory and still running to this day (4 months or so).
I don't think its fw related just posted cause mine did the same after 2 weeks from flashing ixtreme 1.2 out of the box.

ok, some new info which might just validate my theory.

i just got back one of the consoles with the 3red lights error. its an ms25 drive.
it was originally flashed using normal method from usb drive with ixtreme 1.3.
remember that when doing a ms25, the hacked firmware gets changed to ms28...?why is that anyway ??
...and hacked.bin was then spoofed back to an ms25 (since that was the original version). 2 weeks later, ring of death...ok.

ok, first things first. i dismantled this console and power up. 3red lights right away, ok.
now I powered down again and removed the sata plug from the back of teh drive and powered on again...
...NO RED LIGHTS this time...ok...mnnn dvd drive causing 3 red lights i suspect...?
So, i reflashed the orig.bin back on and rebooted console, hey presto! back in action again.
since i got that far, i reflashed again with the hacked.bin (this time using iprep usb pen and WITHOUT spoofing it back to ms25 , as yet again when using iprep the orig.bin ends up as an ms28...why )

so anyway, this drive is working again with whats reported as being ms28 hacked.bin.


so this really backs up my theory. i would love to hear from anyone who can test this out on their console.

i would also like someone to clarify if it is or isnt necessary for the hacked.bin (made from an ms25 that gets changed during the process to ms28) to be spoofed back to ms25 before flashing back to the drive.....?

comments please....

This post has been edited by hotrodxlr8r: Nov 26 2007, 06:34 PM

[flash360]

The first Ixtreme had the option when creating the hacked bin, it would say sometin like "do you want to spoof as original drive model ms25 enter yes or no". This baffled some people and there was hundreds of posts askin what to do. As it does not matter when upgrading eg 25 to 28, they just left it out. The hacked firmware is based on the 28 that's why it will always show as a 28 and will need the 10 second trick even if it is spoofed as a 25.

As for your theory about the firmware givin the 3 red light's I really dont think so  I done 3 28's and 1 25 in the last couple of weeks, all 8x, and not had any complaints

 Also i'd like to say to those people who just give you abuse for sugestin it and talk like theyre c4e himself

Is it not your bedtime yet, santas watchin

[hotrodxlr8r]

QUOTE(flash360 @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)

The first Ixtreme had the option when creating the hacked bin, it would say sometin like "do you want to spoof as original drive model ms25 enter yes or no". This baffled some people and there was hundreds of posts askin what to do. As it does not matter when upgrading eg 25 to 28, they just left it out. The hacked firmware is based on the 28 that's why it will always show as a 28 and will need the 10 second trick even if it is spoofed as a 25. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

As for your theory about the firmware givin the 3 red light's I really dont think so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)  I done 3 28's and 1 25 in the last couple of weeks, all 8x, and not had any complaints (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

 Also i'd like to say to those people who just give you abuse for sugestin it and talk like theyre c4e himself

Is it not your bedtime yet, santas watchin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

cheers m8, thats clears things up a bit. im still a weeee bit sceptical about the firmware, but since i have only got one of the faulty consoles back so far , and working again. Until i get another one back , i wont know for certain.....ah...conspiracy theories...dont ya just love'em...lol!

and thanks for the backup on the "getting abuse for suggestin"..... some just like to believe they are GOD...lol!

[XmodsUK]

I've done numerous MS25s and never spoofed any. Not one complaint, so assuming they are all still working.

[HotKnife420]

QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 26 2007, 06:32 PM)

ok, some new info which might just validate my theory.

i just got back one of the consoles with the 3red lights error. its an ms25 drive.
it was originally flashed using normal method from usb drive with ixtreme 1.3.
remember that when doing a ms25, the hacked firmware gets changed to ms28...?why is that anyway ??
...and hacked.bin was then spoofed back to an ms25 (since that was the original version). 2 weeks later, ring of death...ok.

ok, first things first. i dismantled this console and power up. 3red lights right away, ok.
now I powered down again and removed the sata plug from the back of teh drive and powered on again...
...NO RED LIGHTS this time...ok...mnnn dvd drive causing 3 red lights i suspect...?
So, i reflashed the orig.bin back on and rebooted console, hey presto! back in action again.
since i got that far, i reflashed again with the hacked.bin (this time using iprep usb pen and WITHOUT spoofing it back to ms25 , as yet again when using iprep the orig.bin ends up as an ms28...why )

so anyway, this drive is working again with whats reported as being ms28 hacked.bin.
so this really backs up my theory. i would love to hear from anyone who can test this out on their console.

i would also like someone to clarify if it is or isnt necessary for the hacked.bin (made from an ms25 that gets changed during the process to ms28) to be spoofed back to ms25 before flashing back to the drive.....?

comments please....

Ok, few things:

1) Don't worry about spoofing the sammys. Sometimes refurbs come out as an ms28, but still say ms25 on the dvd-drive. Check the orig f/w itself to make sure it's the same ver.

2) If the error *is* DVD related, you will only get 1 red light, and not 3. You will also see a black screen with text in numerous languages telling you to contact support, and a 2 digit number is displayed at the bottom of the screen.

3) If you flash for others, fix for others:
Arctic Silver: $8.95 @ CompUSA (enough to do about 10)
8 M5 machine screws: $2.16 (and leftovers)
16 fiber washers $3.76
16 zinc washers $2.88 (or less)

You should also have the following tools on hand:
Qtips
Rubbing alcohol
Pliers
T8 & T10 bits to open the case.

 All in all, you're looking at about $10 in materials per-xbox that needs to be fixed. Charge whatever you want for your work; Most people do $50 for RROD fixes, and most people pay it without complaining (if you've got no warranty, $50 is a small price to pay to get your box back up and running).

[hotrodxlr8r]

QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:38 PM)

Ok, few things:

1) Don't worry about spoofing the sammys. Sometimes refurbs come out as an ms28, but still say ms25 on the dvd-drive. Check the orig f/w itself to make sure it's the same ver.

2) If the error *is* DVD related, you will only get 1 red light, and not 3. You will also see a black screen with text in numerous languages telling you to contact support, and a 2 digit number is displayed at the bottom of the screen.

3) If you flash for others, fix for others:
Arctic Silver: $8.95 @ CompUSA (enough to do about 10)
8 M5 machine screws: $2.16 (and leftovers)
16 fiber washers $3.76
16 zinc washers $2.88 (or less)

You should also have the following tools on hand:
Qtips
Rubbing alcohol
Pliers
T8 & T10 bits to open the case.

 All in all, you're looking at about $10 in materials per-xbox that needs to be fixed. Charge whatever you want for your work; Most people do $50 for RROD fixes, and most people pay it without complaining (if you've got no warranty, $50 is a small price to pay to get your box back up and running).

hi, but if you read my post i mention that the 3 red lights went away if i unplugged the sata cable from the drive, once back in again 3 red lights came back. i did this a number of times to be sure. i even left the console on for 30 mins with it unplugged from the drive and still no faults. but once the sata cable went in again, back came the 3 red lights. so, yes the drive can give 3 red lights error.

re your thermal paste bit, i have a video already on youtube for sorting out the cpu & gpu cooling. i have it done on both my own consoles with a fan regulator and talismoon whisper quiet fans. the arctic 5 paste is a good job. i also have the internal air-ducts all taped-up around the edges to maintain max suction through the console. works very well. pity M$ didnt design their consoles alot better ...eh ? The passive coolers are adequate but there just isnt enough air driven through to do the job properly, on stock consoles.

thanks for info.

[temporary_idiot]

QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 27 2007, 12:10 PM)

hi, but if you read my post i mention that the 3 red lights went away if i unplugged the sata cable from the drive, once back in again 3 red lights came back. i did this a number of times to be sure. i even left the console on for 30 mins with it unplugged from the drive and still no faults. but once the sata cable went in again, back came the 3 red lights. so, yes the drive can give 3 red lights error.

re your thermal paste bit, i have a video already on youtube for sorting out the cpu & gpu cooling. i have it done on both my own consoles with a fan regulator and talismoon whisper quiet fans. the arctic 5 paste is a good job. i also have the internal air-ducts all taped-up around the edges to maintain max suction through the console. works very well. pity M$ didnt design their consoles alot better ...eh ? The passive coolers are adequate but there just isnt enough air driven through to do the job properly, on stock consoles.

thanks for info.

i just got a benq-console returned for causing 3rlod...
console was working fine when i flashed it, after flash worked like a charm...

I still need to see what the problem is.. weird thing is, this console just got back from M$ and had a new benq instead of sammy, and a new mobo.. it had the extra heatsink in there also...
so i dont think this would be the GPU since it has the new mobo...

Might be the 12x fw, since i flashed it that way, might have caused to heat up the GPU???!
I will check this evening and return back...

[CHdude]

QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 24 2007, 10:10 PM)

I agree with the other poster the firmware is not causing a hardware error...

I suspect your method of opening the box is causing the problems.

I would agree in that! Because the x360 is chap produced!
 When u close your box, be careful NOT to push the Screws to hard! If u do, the whole motherboard gets "stretched" a little, thats whats might makes the ROD. Especially after u used it for hours. (Meanning the box was heated and cooled down several times)

sorry my bad english

[Logi7]

wtf
firmware has NOTHING to do with RRoD
OP is dumb and should do cooling mods/xclamp preventively  

[CHdude]

QUOTE(itchy chode @ Nov 25 2007, 12:10 PM)

are you really retarded?

firmware is just code, it has nothing to do with overheating.

i'd say its just a case of really really bad luck.

He isn't! Because if u us 12x speed the DVD-Rom spins faster, so it gets warmer (hotter) than if u us 5x!
That's physics! So if u use 5x it gets less hot in the box, but if that makes a difference in avoiding the ROD, i have to say I DONT KNOW.

And i have read, that M$ recently has changes something in the box. they put something between the dvd-drive and the Motherboard in newer xboxes, o so.. That may could be because of the heat which DVD drive produces.

[mayonnaise]

QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 04:38 PM)

Pleeeeease do not instult my intelligence. i have been modding consoles since the Playstation One came out.
i repair motherboards and build pc's , expert & soldering , could stick a passkey chip on a 79 drive blindfolded...not to blow my own trumpet, lol!.
i even posted my own gpu cooling method on youtube for those with 360 overheat issues.

so...no, i didnt bugger it up taking it apart. i use the proper tools for the job, i take my time and dont make mistakes.

Going to try using IPREP next time, just to try and prove my theory....

also, i have read umteen forums and there are others having the same problem after using ixtreme. therefore i am not the only one

If you were so great at this, I dont think you would have made this dense comment below

QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 07:22 AM)

Hi,

i believe the very last one i did was a samsung m25. I remember when i was reading the orig.bin/hacked.bin  from the drive, and then looking at it with Firmware Toolbox, Hacked.bin was reported as being a ms28 ?? i had to spoof it back to ms25 again before flahing back to the drive. I hope i did the right thing...?

Ever had that happen ?

Like I said, someone with your 360 modding skill should have already known Ixtreme is based on the ms28 firmware and thus, duh, the original ms25 once hacked results in being a ms28.

[flash360]

Whats the actual error code? 0102?

[hotrodxlr8r]

QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Dec 11 2007, 06:13 PM)

If you were so great at this, I dont think you would have made this dense comment below

Like I said, someone with your 360 modding skill should have already known Ixtreme is based on the ms28 firmware and thus, duh, the original ms25 once hacked results in being a ms28.

WOW KID!! you have toooOO much time on your hands whan all you do is cut & paste other peoples posts and then add your own little "one-liner's" after them. Im getting a vision of you sitting there in your grubby liittle jizm splattered bedroom, with 4 pc's and 8 screens and a sign on your door telling mummy & daddy to KEEP OUT...LOL!!
Why not try and be a little more on the way of...HELPFUL to others here instead of being a condescending little dweeb.

get a life man....

lol.... im outta here...lol these forums do make me laugh....lol    

QUOTE(flash360 @ Dec 11 2007, 08:06 PM)

Whats the actual error code? 0102?

hi, you can get info on error codes here h**p://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Xbox-360-error-codes.htm

not sure if i can post links here so just copy and paste the link in your browser replacing the ** with tt and your away.