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[robbitop]

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 11:39 PM)

Dude, seriously...try it yourself.  Load up 8x and see if the noise suits you.  Worst case scenario is you flash again to 5x.  Or start with 5x and if you see tearing, go to 8x.  This isn't brain surgery, you have all the skills needed to help yourself.

Nope. I can't.
I will get my 360 in a few days. After that I will send it to a guy who will flash it for me (for a few bucks).
I don't have a VIA oder NForce controller which is neccessary and I don't have the time to learn those procedures. I just want to get as much user info as possible to tell the guy which firmware I want.

I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.

QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:15 AM)

and once again, im more concerned with the noise of the laser reading the disc with these backups, sounds like its working hard all the time. what decrease in the amount of time until the "death" of the laser is this backup usage giving our xboxes?

Is this still an issue with the 8x firmware? I thought it's only noticeble with the 2x ("quiet") version.
Maybe the 5x-version will help.

[cypher21]

QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 8 2007, 12:32 AM)

I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.

ever thought of the possibillity he might NOT have GOW or he might have the original one and no backup which he can test with the firmware (like me)

[just4747]

QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 06:32 PM)

Is this still an issue with the 8x firmware? I thought it's only noticeble with the 2x ("quiet") version.
Maybe the 5x-version will help.

its always an issue with playing backups on this DL media...you just cant hear it as much over the sound of the drive spinning sometimes depending on what speed FW u have flashed...ive now flashed every speed, 2x, 5x, 8x, and 12x obviously and you can hear it with any of them as long as your playing a backup, because the laser needs to work harder to read the media i believe, right? that would make sense to me anyway.

anyway, i just flashed from 8x down to 5x and its much quieter and i cant really notice the difference in load times too much, so i think ill stick with 5x for now. Try that one it seems to be the best bet! and ive been playing GoW with it flashed at 5x for about 10 minutes now and it seems perfectly fine!

hmm to be honest now that ive been using the 5x fw the laser seems a bit quieter than the two faster fws..would that make sense? or no

[Toddler]

QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 05:32 PM)

I will get my 360 in a few days. After that I will send it to a guy who will flash it for me (for a few bucks).
I don't have a VIA oder NForce controller which is neccessary and I don't have the time to learn those procedures. I just want to get as much user info as possible to tell the guy which firmware I want.

I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.

I don't understand why someone who is begging for help thinks that being a dick is going to get him faster answers.

I said earlier that I'd test GoW when I have time.  Today I've been doing my full-time gig and when that ends, my wife goes to grad school and I take care of my young kids.  So doing your requested firmware testing is just going to have to wait.

And what exactly is the hurry?  You won't even be getting a 360 for a few days!  Talk about nerve...seriously.

[Toddler]

QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 7 2007, 05:53 PM)

hmm to be honest now that ive been using the 5x fw the laser seems a bit quieter than the two faster fws..would that make sense? or no

That was my observation as well.  The 5x spin noise was just as quiet as the 2x but the seek noise was also quieter, instead of that noticable clicking it became a very gentle noise which sort of gave me the feeling that it was easier on the laser.  The 8x and 12x seeks were also louder, so for me, 5x is the definite sweet spot.

A lot of us on the Wii (can I say that here?) forums prefer to run the Wii at 3x rather than the stock 6x and all the Wii modchips allow users to configure the drive speed because it is gentler on the motor and laser (same reason for using good media).  I'd imagine the same holds true for the 360.  After all, 12x is the fastest possible speed, but the drive is made to slow down as needed if a disc is hard to read.  We all know how Samsung owners sometimes switch to "quiet" firmware when they start getting dirty disc errors from a dying laser.  So regarding the longevity of your drive, I think slower can only be a good thing.

[lsun22]

based on what c4eva said about the settings not being fall back settings, but initial read settings, but initial read settings for what (diff media types?  movie vs game, dl vs sl, cd vs dvd, etc etc)?  that is a good question.

since then depending on what the answer is, it would seem to me that the 8x firmware might have a problem.  since for the last mode it have a setting higher than the orginal firmware.

iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)

iXtreme 12x (orginal):
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)

[just4747]

thats a good point too..someone needs to check that...

now that ive had every speed firmware..id have to say that the only one to have quieter laser/laser motor reading sounds is the 5x.

2x, 8x, and 12x all had loud, annoying, constantly moving laser noise..why is that??

[Toddler]

QUOTE(lsun22 @ Nov 7 2007, 07:13 PM)

based on what c4eva said about the settings not being fall back settings, but initial read settings, but initial read settings for what (diff media types?  movie vs game, dl vs sl, cd vs dvd, etc etc)?  that is a good question.

since then depending on what the answer is, it would seem to me that the 8x firmware might have a problem.  since for the last mode it have a setting higher than the orginal firmware.

iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)

iXtreme 12x (orginal):
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)

That's what I was trying to get answered all day.  I hung out in #dosflash for hours to no avail.  Despite c4e saying that's not what those settings do, without an explanation of what they do, I'm suspicious as others are.  Perhaps someday we will get more details on that.

QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 7 2007, 07:32 PM)

now that ive had every speed firmware..id have to say that the only one to have quieter laser/laser motor reading sounds is the 5x.

2x, 8x, and 12x all had loud, annoying, constantly moving laser noise..why is that??

Exactly, the 5x has a sweet sound when seeking, the others are rather clunky.  At least everything seems perfectly balanced in the 5x firmware, so let's be happy for that.

[minooch]

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 11:02 AM)

I don't understand why someone who is begging for help thinks that being a dick is going to get him faster answers.

I said earlier that I'd test GoW when I have time.  Today I've been doing my full-time gig and when that ends, my wife goes to grad school and I take care of my young kids.  So doing your requested firmware testing is just going to have to wait.

And what exactly is the hurry?  You won't even be getting a 360 for a few days!  Talk about nerve...seriously.

Well put!

Robbitop if you want to know the answer buy the appropriate hardware needed or have a little decency and don't act like you got something shoved up your A**.

Minooch

[sportsgamer1984]

Ditto on the 5x sounding considerably better than the "fast" version.  Not only does it sound way better, but the loading time difference is negligible.  So, yeah, pretty much what toddler said.

[just4747]

somebody else with the 5x fw, load up splinter cell double agent(try original if you have it like me...otherwise try a backup)..it took a while and a lot of laser reading to finally load the full "press start" menu and every single loading screen after that too up till my game loaded took forever...jesus it wasnt this bad with any of the other games i tried...

[halo_kingslayer]

So I guess its safe to say BenQ is better than a sammy 25 or 28 now?

[Toddler]

QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:03 AM)

somebody else with the 5x fw, load up splinter cell double agent(try original if you have it like me...otherwise try a backup)..it took a while and a lot of laser reading to finally load the full "press start" menu and every single loading screen after that too up till my game loaded took forever...jesus it wasnt this bad with any of the other games i tried...

Yeah I know what you mean, I just loaded it up and you're right...although SCDA was like that before to me though (on a Samsung).  I was actually trying to remember which game was such an atrocious loader and couldn't recall until you mentioned it.  Once the game started, it all seems normal.  I'm not bothering to flash 12x just to compare, but I'd be curious if you care to go to the effort.

[just4747]

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 01:29 AM)

Yeah I know what you mean, I just loaded it up and you're right...although SCDA was like that before to me though (on a Samsung).  I was actually trying to remember which game was such an atrocious loader and couldn't recall until you mentioned it.  Once the game started, it all seems normal.  I'm not bothering to flash 12x just to compare, but I'd be curious if you care to go to the effort.

well i know what its like at 12x since its an original and i played it before ever flashing..i think maybe any small loading problems we have with any games wouldnt exist with 8x but i dunno if its worth giving up the quietness..ill see how it goes with future games and whatnot..cant be perfect i guess

and damn even with the slightly quieter laser sounds at 5x, it STILL is bothering me to know that its working so hard to read! i feel bad for the laser motor..

and just to keep the compaints going...god damn these discs get scratched so easily in any dvd wallet type thingy..all my backups are scratched from taking them out and putting them back in so often...even originals are getting scratched that way but i cant bring those boxes around every time i bring my xbox home from school on some weekends and stuff..UGHHHHH

[Toddler]

QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:42 AM)

god damn these discs get scratched so easily in any dvd wallet type thingy..all my backups are scratched from taking them out and putting them back in so often...even originals are getting scratched that way but i cant bring those boxes around every time i bring my xbox home from school on some weekends and stuff..UGHHHHH

Chin up...the next Xbox is rumored to have a 300-disc carousel.