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[Toddler]

QUOTE(Dra60nSlayer @ Nov 6 2007, 04:43 PM)

lagging... playback makes short pauses

If you can be specific on when the lag occurs, I'd like to test and repro.  I have Viva Pinata and TopSpin 2.

[Paperstack.1]

QUOTE(goose_dawg @ Nov 6 2007, 05:49 PM)

if any one can give me a clue to finding the xtreme version for the benq i would appreaciate it greatly i looked all over the net and all I could find was the ixtreme 1.1 rev2 sorry this is a dumb noob question but I need to get it to  see if it will read regular backups and stealthed ones.

I take it that you got the rev2 package from the "official" place? If so then you'd see the Xtreme version there too.

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This post has been edited by Paperstack.1: Nov 7 2007, 12:49 AM

[just4747]

now that i can hear how much the laser is constantly moving and searching when playing a backup..doesnt that give it a much shorter life-span? it sounds like it working double time, its crazy..what if the laser goes wayyy sooner because of it reading our DL media?

im flashing back to fast...it's too damn slow at loadtimes and music does skip sometimes..i wouldn't recommend it until it is sped up quite a bit

This post has been edited by just4747: Nov 7 2007, 01:21 AM

[waddpsw]

QUOTE(cypher21 @ Nov 6 2007, 08:35 PM)

If the sound of the drive doesn't bother you, i'd stick with it! There's no difference between the fast 1.1 and fast 1.1 rev2
you can use both on live, BUT the ixtreme firmware does NOT boot unstealth games (extra insurance) the Xtreme does, so if you want to play on live with it and you flash the xtreme firmware but accidently boot an unstealthed backup you might get banned!

Can anyone explain WHY we need an xtreme version ?
 
Why take the risk of running non-stealthed games   Or is it so that peeps can play older iso's they have already burnt?

I only flashed v1.1 r1 yesterday and it seems to be going fine - i think ill leave it for now

[kmfdm515]

it would be interesting to see load time comparisons with an MS25/28 quiet firmware and a benq quiet firmware

[ecrompton]

Did a test with 2  games, fast\slow, and harddrive\no harddrive.  Cheap Ritek A01 media.

Gears of war:
Quiet No HDD:  longer load times, some assets not loaded (faces not high res for 60+ seconds while loads on second level, running up the stairs shows MUCH LAG in textures)

Quiet HDD:  loading not optimal, but a bit faster.  Loading of assets not as apparent, but still load in late (particularly when loading level 2, the faces arent as good immediately, and running up the stairs shows all textures)

Fast No HDD and HDD:  textures load in correctly, obviously louder( sounds like stock firmware), but drive spins up and down alot (i dont think my cheap media cant sustain anything higher than 8x read)

Skate:

quiet no HDD: no load

Quiet HDD: no load

Fast No HDD and HDD:  Loads fine, when loading levels, spins fast then stops for about 5 seconds, then spins up again and loads fine ~15-20 seconds.

The quiet firmware was really quiet, but too slow, and not working with skate made me change back.  My low quality backups work with both, faster with the "fast", but spinning up and down for reading is alot more apparent.

This post has been edited by ecrompton: Nov 7 2007, 04:37 AM

[Toddler]

I may be on a fool's pursuit here, but nevertheless....

I did a byte-for-byte comparison of the "fast" and "quiet" firmware, and here's what I see:

Offset     Fast       Quiet
00005FEC   41(66)     41(65)
0000BFB1   0C(12)     02(2)
0000BFBD   08(       02(2)
0000BFC9   05(5)       02(2)

Now the first offset (00005FEC), 41 is the hex for "A" and 42 is the hex for "B" which is where c4e signs the firmware versions.

The other offsets you can see the fast firmware has values of 12, 8 and 5 where the quiet has 2, 2 and 2.  Obviously, one of these controls the read speed, and possibly all three are related.  I'm speculating, but maybe these are speeds in different states, and c4e has set the speed to 2 in all states on the quiet firmware.  If that's the case, then perhaps changing the offsets in the quiet firmware would give us what we want, which is something between fast and quiet.  If 12, 8, 5 and 2 are valid speeds, then maybe something like 8, 5, 2 would be one step slower from fast but with variable speeds?

Again, this is all my best attempt at guessing what may be at work here.  I could be on to something, or I could be a total jackass (and it wouldn't be the first time).

Thoughts?

[minooch]

QUOTE(goose_dawg @ Nov 7 2007, 09:49 AM)

if any one can give me a clue to finding the xtreme version for the benq i would appreaciate it greatly i looked all over the net and all I could find was the ixtreme 1.1 rev2 sorry this is a dumb noob question but I need to get it to  see if it will read regular backups and stealthed ones.

Here this might help you.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...548170&st=0

PS: even if the program doesn't work (although it should) read the comments as they might give you hints on how most people connect.


Minooch

[Toddler]

I had a typo and can't edit the previous post, so here's what it should look like:

Offset Fast Quiet
00005FEC 41(65) 42(66)
0000BFB1 0C(12) 02(2)
0000BFBD 08( 02(2)
0000BFC9 05(5) 02(2)

This post has been edited by Toddler: Nov 7 2007, 06:39 AM

[xFiReStOrMx]

I use Datawrite Titanium disks and they seem to only have a read speed of 4x, at first I though this was lame but I have found these disks to be excellent and it also means that they are very quiet in the xbox360 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Load times are obviously a bit slower (tho not much) but it works perfectly and no slowdowns!. No need for quiet firmware when using these disks for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by xFiReStOrMx: Nov 7 2007, 07:32 AM

[hiaaa]

Is the XTREME non_stealth FAST or Quiet ??  Please...........

[just4747]

Does anyone have any input on how much the laser seems to be doing work while playing a backup? Could this be a problem for the lifespan of our lasers? Do you think it would need to work less with better media like Verbatim DLs opposed to say Memorex? Thanks, just worried about it cause it's constantly loud and reading the disc unlike when you play an original.

[Toddler]

QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 6 2007, 11:38 PM)

Offset Fast Quiet
0000BFB1 0C(12) 02(2)
0000BFBD 08( 02(2)
0000BFC9 05(5) 02(2)

I can tell you guys that this is definitely where the drive read speed settings reside.  I'll have some timings at various speeds in a few minutes.

[Toddler]

Alright, I tested four firmwares.  Two were the regular iXtreme fast & quiet, and two were manually edited at the three locations previously mentioned.  The simple testing I did was to see how long it took from clicking "Resume Saved Game" in Halo 3 until the game actually loaded.  Here's what I found:

iXtreme "fast":
0000BFB1 0C(12)
0000BFBD 08(
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 27 seconds, drive rotation noise was loud and constant, seek noise was quiet.

Hacked iXtreme "semi-fast"
0000BFB1 08(
0000BFBD 08(
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 29 seconds, drive rotation noise was slightly noticable, seek noise was quiet.

Hacked iXtreme "semi-quiet"
0000BFB1 05(5)
0000BFBD 05(5)
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 30 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was a gentle whisper.

iXtreme "quiet":
0000BFB1 02(2)
0000BFBD 02(2)
0000BFC9 02(2)
Load time was 36 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was actually fairly loud.

Based on the results, the "semi-quiet" seemed to find the sweet spot.  Keep in mind that I hacked two of these firmwares, and that I have no hidden knowledge about the process.  I'd love to hear from someone who does know exactly what those values represent.

[mironicus]

@Toddler

Very interesting. Could you make more tests with other games, too?