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[zaboo]

http://www.pj64.net/...nc,select/id,3/

that's the link to the source for the newest project 64... it can run more than 3/4 of the games that people said I couldn't run... for example it can run Excite Bike 64 and then xbox version can't? yeah ok!

[irishwhip]

thats the source for 1.4
pj64 is up to 1.7 now.
and who said that n64 emulators suck? pj64 is far from perfect, but it sure doesn't suck

This post has been edited by irishwhip: Jun 27 2006, 12:30 AM

[nes6502]

QUOTE(zaboo @ Jun 27 2006, 12:22 AM)

http://www.pj64.net/...nc,select/id,3/

for example it can run Excite Bike 64 and then xbox version can't? yeah ok!

Let's see:

My PC has a 3.4 Ghz CPU. The Xbox has a 733Mhz CPU (Reason #1 why it's better on the PC)
My PC has 1GB of RAM. The Xbox has 64MB of RAM (Reason #2 why it's better on the PC)

Hardware is a big reason emulation works well on some computers and not others.

Otherwise, i'd be running N64 emulation on my old 486.

[zaboo]

Well there must be a way to run N64 games if the xbox can run... xbox games!

[micbic]

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Well there must be a way to run N64 games if the xbox can run... xbox games!

Unfortunately, it doesnt work like this. I heard somewhere that the rule of thumb for emulators is that the hardware has to be around 5 times more powerful than the machine it is emulating to get full speed.

[dohopoki]

I don't think N64 emulation sucks. I don't think N64 emulation sucks.. I find it remarkable. I remember using Ultra-HLE when it first came around, I just happened to have a Voodoo 3 graphics card at that time. Since then there's been a lot of advancements in the 64 emulation, forward and side-ways with new emulators. PC's are becoming strong enough to handle them and more and more game are becoming compabitle.

My problem isn't with the state of n64 emulation. My problem is with the word perfect. People asking

"Why isn't n64 emulation perfect when Snes emulation is perfect."

People are asking for perfection and then they reveal their standard for perfection is anything but. Snes is remarkable emulation. Between Zsnes and Snes9x I think snes emulation is among the best of any console, mostly because both these emulators are so old and polished. But it still isn't perfect. It might feel perfect, it might look it, it might sound it but in many games something in the background isn't going exactly the way it would in a real cartridge/console setup. Maybe this will cause a sound to have a small unnoticable delay, or cause a sprite to have a slightly off hue, cause a small bit of unnatural slowdown OR not reproduce a small bit of natural slowdown. Maybe it's not something we'll see at all. Are these differences important to most people, isn't the emulation good enough for us on most of our games? Between maybe and mostly yes. So what do these differences matter? They disqualify the emulation from perfection. Would Zsnes update if it were perfect?

N64 is even further from perfect and it's got a long way to go, so long it may never happen, that's just the way it is.

So why am I being so anal about this? It's this low standard people have when they throw around the word perfect that dellusions other people into thinking several things. They might think "My PC doesn't run them perfect but this guy says they should, maybe I need to go spend 1000 dollars in PC upgrades. Hmm, still not quite working like it does on my cart, must need to adjust all these plugins. Hmm, still not quite working like it does on my cart, must have a faulty download... must have a bad rom... must have must have must have."

Worse,  they might think "well NES is absolutely perfect... SNES is absolutely perfect... N64 is absolutely perfect ... my pc is newer than all these things.... my pc is newer than gamecube... WHY ISN'T GAMECUBE EMULATION PERFECTED YET?! My xbox has better graphics than gamecube so it must be able to run gamecube games, it's not a problem with the hardware it's just the programmers suck."

Conclusion, good enough for you doesn't mean it's perfect. Saying it is perfect can and does influence people into the wrong train of thought. This spreads like wild fire. We end up with some one saying

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Well there must be a way to run N64 games if the xbox can run... xbox games!

and it drives people like me into posting boring boring boring messages like this.

[zaboo]

I guess if n64 games where open source it'd be easier to make them run flawlessly... just port them. Alright I now realize the rule of thumb with emulation... didn't realize that.

QUOTE(nes6502 @ Jun 27 2006, 12:38 AM)

Otherwise, i'd be running N64 emulation on my old 486.

Yeah, but it obviously can't work becuase the n64 is more powerfull than your 486...

[nes6502]

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I just happened to have a Voodoo 3 graphics card at that time

I wish I had one then. I was stuck with using a glide wrapper but it was still awesome.

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I heard somewhere that the rule of thumb for emulators is that the hardware has to be around 5 times more powerful than the machine it is emulating to get full speed.

Fullspeed SNES emulation requires a CPU around 70 times as powerfull as the original SNES CPU. I would say 10 times more powerfull is a safe bet in most cases.

[micbic]

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 10 times more powerfull is a safe bet in most cases.

Oh man, makes you wonder how long it is going to take for decent xbox360 emulation. Im guessing about 10-15 years going by the rate at which xbox/gcn/ps2 emulation has been going.

[dohopoki]

QUOTE(nes6502 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:15 PM)

I wish I had one then. I was stuck with using a glide wrapper but it was still awesome.

Oh man, I remember using a glide wrapper on a friends computer. He had a slightly better one but had a generic graphic card so we found one of those to get it working. Seemed to work just as well as mine did, which was of course in the range of not well enough to compete with the 64 but well enough to be awesome running a system that's still new. Way cooler than Bleem ever was.

[Kamiyay]

QUOTE(dohopoki @ Jun 28 2006, 06:49 AM)

Way cooler than Bleem ever was.

I actually still have a copy of that POS. God it was awful!

[micbic]

btw

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pj64 is up to 1.7 now.

You have to donate to pj64 to get 1.7, the rest of us get 1.6

[dohopoki]

QUOTE(Kamiyay @ Jun 28 2006, 08:15 AM)

I actually still have a copy of that POS. God it was awful!

I didn't even try to recover it when that pc bit the dust.

[VampX]

I still have Bleem! in the original bigass yellow cardboard box.

   <-- Face of someone who's been in emulation for 10 years now.

[Sirmatto]

QUOTE(micbic @ Jun 27 2006, 06:51 PM)

Oh man, makes you wonder how long it is going to take for decent xbox360 emulation. Im guessing about 10-15 years going by the rate at which xbox/gcn/ps2 emulation has been going.

Let's see...three cores clocked at over 3 GHz each.  Today, with overclocking, you can probably reach about 4 GHz.  3x3 = 9 GHz x 5 (for decent emulation) = 45 GHz computers aka HAL 9000.  So basically, if we ever get Xbox 360 emulation, we'll have to put up with homicidal computers

QUOTE(VampX @ Jun 28 2006, 06:30 AM)

I still have Bleem! in the original bigass yellow cardboard box.

   <-- Face of someone who's been in emulation for 10 years now.

Damn son, you must be an old fart.  I entered the emulation scene around the time when Nesticle first came about which would put me about a nine year veteran, and I'm not exactly young myself.