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[wellmodded]

just wonderign since Samsung drive are soo good at sleathing and stuff if i spoofed a sammy drive so it can work on my xbox360 which ahs a hatchi would that be ok

[PerfectGun]

QUOTE(XanTium @ May 21 2007, 09:25 PM)

if the FW is released, the binary is available for anyone ... do you really think MS doesn't have the right people to analyze it? We aren't telling anything MS can't find out themselves.

Of course, but let's at least get it in the hands of the people before giving them all the tools.  Now they know this is coming maybe instead of slowing banning they are going to change the numbers and just drop the hammer on everyone??  Once your banned your done..  So I would at least like a chance to try it before MS kills my Live connection.  If I was MS now that I see this coming I would take an even closer look at the numbers(since MS has been logging for awhile we now know) and if I see anything out of the ordinary ban them now before they have a chance to run this FW.

I just think all this info should of waited until the binary was released.

[eatshitanddie]

Thanks alot C4E and GaryOPA....

I was thinking though...


some of the latest games like FF2 and Crackdown have messed up Video  Sectors...maybe they are looking at that too? aleast for crackdown...

[ikecomp]

QUOTE(restricted4545 @ May 21 2007, 11:02 PM)

school me on this

i have an non flashed TS
when the new FW is released would it be "safer" to flash with say the blaster360, which is an external powering solution?

sorry if i'm way off

TIA

no need...I would think you could just use 5.25 external enclosure with a sata interface....it should work the same way

[Base8]

Sounds great!  Thanks for the effort, i hope i need it.  I still havent gone on to see if i was baned yet, i wanted to wait for more info on the ban before i went online.  I might try soon.

[magokbr]

yeah great job C4e and Garyopa!

i can't wait for this release!
thanks!

[blue45]

So if you have been banned on a modded console like i have. Then your left with xbconnect and Kai link. The only problem is that unless your gonna just play halo2 or halo3 when it fully comes out, there is not really much use for it because of the ping filters. You must have at least a ping 40 or lower so I have heard, and i have tried at 43 it does not work. Does anyone know if there maybe a program in the making to maybe fix this problem with the 360. Lets face it, if we are getting banned on live, i believe we should all try and making another program to replace live itself. I know xbconnect and KaiLink are great if you have fiber optics or if your playing someone in your own city and state with 8 meg connection. But we need to do something about this. We need to break this ping filter somehow in these games. Find out what the Xbox Live Service does with their games, because i know im not getting a ping of 30 on live. Then we need to implant it in xbconnect, Kailink, or make another program specifically for the 360.

[geniusjc]

I agree with PerfectGun.  I have been into the FTA (Free To Air) satellite scene for a while which has fixes for decoding different satellite signals like Dish Network and Bell ExpressVu, Globecast, etc. When Dish and Bell decided to switch their encryption to a newer one the FTA scene already had a fix for it before it was even "turned on".  They kept quiet about it though so Dish and Bell didn't know and end up changing to a different encryption they wouldn't be able to break for a while.  Once Dish and Bell had spent a huge investment in the new equipment and new cards were sent out to all their subscribers and then turned on the new encryption is when the FTA scene finally released their "fix".  It caught Dish and Bell by surprise and after investing so much money and time into switching the encryption they didn't want to have to do it again for a while.  It has been over a year since they changed to their new encryption and you can still use FTA to get Dish and Bell's signals.

The FW upgrades and methods used for playing backups along with any possible methods for detecting them need to follow a similar plan so that there is no advance warning and it will be longer time enjoying backups on the FW before having to rewrite a new one.  And don't try to say M$ has smart people that could figure it out on their own.  If they did we wouldn't have ever been able to play backups in the first place and the hypervisor vulnerability that was released in the normal updates wouldn't have been there.

[Iriez]

QUOTE(magic_man185 @ May 21 2007, 10:49 PM)

so if we were lucky enough to not get banned, but have previously played burned disks, then we should not even play backups offline?  Because of possible detection by kernel?

We already know that the amount of power up's are stored in the nand flash. We suspect that e64 (no dvd unit attached) and other errors are also stored. It is just as easy for them to check c/r, dmi, pfi to create a error report to flag and store.

QUOTE(PerfectGun @ May 21 2007, 11:08 PM)

Ahhh the big mouths of the internet strike again!  Can't even keep quiet about this until the damn thing is released...  MS Thanks you for your complete coverage of C4E's working so it can be defeated day 1.

This place is crawling with narcs and you post this info...  pfftt

We have been playing backups on live for a year. ...Yes, *a year*. It has taken them a whole year to implement a security, and within 2-3 days we have already discovered and defeated it. What more do you really think they have up their sleeve? With billions of dollars to throw into security, dont you think if they had a full-proof solution they would have implemented it first-bang? Think from a buisness perspective, instead of a ignorant-consumer prospective for a second, and I think you'll realize your statements lack of logic.

QUOTE(nickolasj80 @ May 21 2007, 11:17 PM)

The article states that the new FW won't be able to read DVD5, what about xbox1 single layers?

DVD5 = Single Layer

QUOTE(blue_calx @ May 21 2007, 11:34 PM)

Is there a guide on how to make a ODD adapter similar to the Xecuter connectivity kit?

I don't want to buy that whole kit if all i need is to get the xbox360 drive adapted to a molex connection.

Note: I tried searching around and couldn't find one.

No. however, perhaps someone will make one now.

QUOTE(wellmodded @ May 21 2007, 11:37 PM)

just wonderign since Samsung drive are soo good at sleathing and stuff if i spoofed a sammy drive so it can work on my xbox360 which ahs a hatchi would that be ok

It is not that MS see's your drive as a samsung, its that their method of checking the dmi/pfi is reported incorrectly (and therefore flagged) from a hitachi. Spoofing mean's nothing.

QUOTE(PerfectGun @ May 21 2007, 11:39 PM)

Of course, but let's at least get it in the hands of the people before giving them all the tools.  Now they know this is coming maybe instead of slowing banning they are going to change the numbers and just drop the hammer on everyone??  Once your banned your done..  So I would at least like a chance to try it before MS kills my Live connection.  If I was MS now that I see this coming I would take an even closer look at the numbers(since MS has been logging for awhile we now know) and if I see anything out of the ordinary ban them now before they have a chance to run this FW.

I just think all this info should of waited until the binary was released.

Read above. We've been saying this is going to be a cat/mouse game to come for almost a year....we are just experiencing it now. No surprise. There are a few other ways for MS to detect, but they are being patched, or are unreliable (lots of non-modded users will be banned)

[dre74]

QUOTE(XanTium @ May 22 2007, 04:57 AM)

it's probably possible (some) of these checks are done by the kernel and could be logged into flash ... so even playing burned discs offline is a risk if you don't want to get banned from LIVE.

If this is the case why has no one with a modchip like the nme reported being banned. If it proves to be safer I might try a nme chip next time vs flashing the drive.

[mlapaglia]

c4e and all of you guys, do you ever quit lol!? spectacular work on guestimating what is happening with the xbox 360's, absolutely superb work.

[hawkolugy]

I am just glad i am not banned yet but is it pointless to not play because if they have been logging for a while, i am definitely going to get banned so i might as well enjoy LIVE until then I would hate to not play for a week and turn it on and be banned...nice to see you guys on top of the situation...

[copter71]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

ok now that I have that out of my system, thank you guys so much for keeping up with M$ and not giving up, there are some haters/skeptics out ther, but what they don't realize is that you guys aren't obligated to do ANYTHING for us, so I appreciate your generosity!

Hopefully we'll be good for at least another year of flying under the radar ^.^

What will the firmware do if a bad (detectable) backup is inserted? Eject it? or just not load it?

[shniper9]

Just figured I'd finally post on this site, as this is an important and confusing predicament for everyone at the moment. Anyways, I had bought my 360 pre-flashed around Nov. '07, therefore I'm not sure of the firmware. I have done a ton of gaming with this machine, and by all rights, I should be banned but I'm not as of right now. I have played online almost every day since the banning began as well. According to my very trustworthy supplier, my xbox was flashed right out of the box leading me to believe the theory about flashing a new box before going on live. I have not seen too many people buying into this theory, so I just figured I would add my 2 cents. I have a buddy that will be flashing a brand new 360 in the near future to test it out.

[DBG]

I really can't see much benefit in modding current next-gen consoles.  Yeah you can save some bucks or get some extra features, but this generation (esp. the Xbox 360 although I don't own one myself, blew my cash on a PS3 and a new laptop... damn need went over my spending limit =p) is giving you a lot of connectivity and bonuses for free or cheaply.  I am 110% modding (but won't talk about my views on piracy because I don't want to get banned after all of these years =), I love learning about electronics and reverse engineering even if just to prove that you could.

HOWEVER!  At this point in time, I don't think any next-gen console, even the 360, has a catalog of stellar games that is so great that anyone with a job can't save up to buy a copy of the best games out there, used or not.  Just my opinion and I wanted to put it out there.  Also as a side note I am sad to see that more isn't being done with Linux and the PS3.  Hell XMBC seems to be more active than this project.  I know the platform is different and not what people have been using for the last decade or so, but I'll have to come up with my own ports and programs (which I would of course share freely), and I am looking forward to seeing Linux on the 360 one day, and perhaps getting some more help in programming than I've been getting so far for the PS3 (maybe I am just not looking in the right places, maybe there aren't enough people interested, but I've already gone way off-topic so I'll leave it at that and let someone PM me if they have something to say).