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[StormB]

i haven't got an open 360 handy.. but can't you just unplug the power connector to the 360 motherboard to stop it booting, while you're flashing the ODD?

Will

[pure3d2]

QUOTE(StormB @ May 22 2007, 07:57 AM)

i haven't got an open 360 handy.. but can't you just unplug the power connector to the 360 motherboard to stop it booting, while you're flashing the ODD?

Will

Where do you think the ODD is getting its power from?  Hint: The motherboard.  

[DjBOX]

Hello

About the power of the DVD, I think it's not possible, because we have, in france, a guy which play with XBLA games without DVD drive, and he did the last update.
And if you want to check, switch on your xbox and check the start time with and without DVD Drive.

With some people, we check the data transmit by the network, and we will compare with a ban and no ban xbox.

For this time, the xbox connect on the live, to check if this console are ban or not, so the good way, maybe, it's send by the network to the xbox, the good message to unban the console.

I will inform you when I have a good news.
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Greeting from france.

[BEVEL]

QUOTE(DjBOX @ May 22 2007, 08:15 AM)

Hello

About the power of the DVD, I think it's not possible, because we have, in france, a guy which play with XBLA games without DVD drive, and he did the last update.
And if you want to check, switch on your xbox and check the start time with and without DVD Drive.

With some people, we check the data transmit by the network, and we will compare with a ban and no ban xbox.

For this time, the xbox connect on the live, to check if this console are ban or not, so the good way, maybe, it's send by the network to the xbox, the good message to unban the console.

I will inform you when I have a good news.
Gx-Mod Forum

Greeting from france.
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What the heck does he mean?
he plays online without a DVD drive???
wierd shit

This post has been edited by BEVEL: May 22 2007, 08:23 AM

[mole1012000]

QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ May 22 2007, 05:41 AM)

I think that the bans was a test run to see outcome reaction. They will wait to see if those ppl banned will rejoin as they have to becareful not to disrupt the live service too much. I think they were not planning to do this yet but due to their ever increasing 360 failure rates & lack of demand for the PS3 have taken a punt to boost sales and test their live security detection. I dont think too many more ppl will be getting banned for this month as they will wait and see the outcome of the first wave of bans.

Dont rush out and purchase another console just wait, and cancel your live subscription if you really want to get back at them. Hit them where it hurts $$. Only need a small % to do this will make them think twice!!

I think that`s fool hardy. Think about the what is it now 8 million people on live. Now how many do you really think have done anything to there 360, other than play it. I am sure the figure isn't anywhere near 500,000 people have a modded console. So even if 500,000 (which bare in mind this site has something like 150,000 members and its the biggest modding site) then theres still going to be 7.5million left. Though even for m$ 500,000 people are worth the time and money. You get a game for $60 if the person brought it. That would end up being if 500,000 didn't buy it. This would mean NET income lost from that one game, would be= $3000,000.
Now personally you or i would turn down this money. Neither would m$. As for the whole sub scription point. How long do you think they are going to make money. If all there developers most to another console. I know i dont want to pay to play the same games over and over. It DOES matter, if anyone on here has coded or dont any programming work. They will know it can be rewarding but also a long process. Now i for one would want to get paid for my work and if not releasing my work or moving console meant i would get paid i would have in a heart beat.

Now my figures are all heresy i am not saying otherwise but my point is do you really think more than 1million people are using modded consoles or even backup`s. I say highly unlikely. Personally i would say it has yet to get near the 500,000 mark as well. So its bigger than the modders that are around its about the developers mainly and keeping them happy as well. As otherwise i as a consumer dont care how many millions of floating points my console has, i want new games and without the developers, no new games.

Mole

[DjBOX]

YEah the  guy play XBLA Game without DVD Drive, because he loose the numeric key to assign an another dvd drive.

And all update are installed on his xbox.

[vitorp07]

QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ May 22 2007, 01:41 AM)

I think that the bans was a test run to see outcome reaction. They will wait to see if those ppl banned will rejoin as they have to becareful not to disrupt the live service too much. I think they were not planning to do this yet but due to their ever increasing 360 failure rates & lack of demand for the PS3 have taken a punt to boost sales and test their live security detection. I dont think too many more ppl will be getting banned for this month as they will wait and see the outcome of the first wave of bans.

Dont rush out and purchase another console just wait, and cancel your live subscription if you really want to get back at them. Hit them where it hurts $$. Only need a small % to do this will make them think twice!!

 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif) ?OR JUST WAIT UNTIL APPLE COMES OUT WITH SOMETHING LIKE AN IBOX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[chris_mouland3]

Can someone answer this?


If a Samsung drive (flashed with the new iXtreme firmware) is put into an xbox 360 that originally had a Hitachi drive (drive is spoofed obviously), would that make the system safer than if the Hitachi was kept? Or have MS found a way of detecting spoofed drives too?

I think someone asked this before, but didnt get a good reply.

Thanks

[hecz]

I just switched consoles with my friend, the console has never been on live, no offline updates ( via cd ) and it was flashed with go 2.3. The console played a lot of verbatims, that means im still screwed?

This post has been edited by hecz: May 22 2007, 08:49 AM

[mike96sc2]

QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ May 21 2007, 11:19 PM)

We also got information C4E is working on an "iXtreme Online" FW for Toshiba-Samsung drives, a Hitachi-LG version and maybe even BenQ version might follow later.
The new FW will have less features than the current Xtreme FWs: no single-layer (DVD5) support, no ripping of games (0800 mode), but more features to safely play from burned discs (emulate the exact speed and timings of the original games) and prevent booting from un-safe discs (without PFI and DMI or bad SS - so discs not passing the 'Stealth Check' (using Xbox Backup Creator()(<a href="http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox360-tools/XboxBackupCreator.php">info) for example) are not going to boot on the new firmware), or images that aren't exact dumps of the original.

or people could buy original games.

Call me a troll if you want, but considering how much the BST has gone insane lately with banned consoles and 100+ games posts, or how many people were upset their copied Crackdown they got from a friend no longer lets them online, etc. The people who have the biggest stake in seeing new firmware can't pretend it's more about backing up games they own instead of just piracy.

[stezo2k]

QUOTE(BEVEL @ May 22 2007, 06:54 AM)

Is there any word on the HDD being safe for usage in a new console ?

Well, I cant seem to sign into live on my brothers unmodded 360 with my HDD

No idea why...

[Martinchris23]

Just as an FYI, the theory of flashing before using Xbox Live is a complete myth. I flash an OOTB Core 360 (literally opened it myself to do the job), which has now been reported as banned.

Don't think you're safe in assuming this will prevent you from being banned. The best advice I've seen is for people to pick up a new core 360 for playing on Xbox Live and leave another 360 solely for backups. Remember you can swap the HDD from one to the other, keeping your content with you as you travel.

Martin

This post has been edited by Martinchris23: May 22 2007, 09:03 AM

[Hi-Fidelity]

am i misunderstanding this whole thing or is that new firmware useless?

you get:
- new firmware without extra features
you can not:
- play backups on live (which we would never ever do anyway)
also you should not
- play backups offline

so there is no difference between a 360 with the new firmware and an unmodded one!
you only play originals.

also: if ms can only detect that you play backups, not your firmware, you can also still stick with
the firmware you already have, just don't play backups anymore.

am i getting this totally wrong?

[xmgr]

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C4E thinks MS is probably detecting and banning consoles from LIVE by tracking usage of backups via timing of the challenge response (c/r) on the drive over the last few weeks or months. A modified FW will reply much faster to the the Challenges requests (stored in a table) than an original firmware (seek on drive). They probably do this test more than once and can ban you if you're above a certain average.

I must admit that myself (and others) noticed a huge increase in the amount of time that it took to load the gamer profile in Crackdown over the past few weeks.

Given its popularity and the focus on the H3 Beta this would be an ideal game to include any tests on.

[hecz]

QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ May 22 2007, 04:00 AM)

Just as an FYI, the theory of flashing before using Xbox Live is a complete myth. I flash an OOTB Core 360 (literally opened it myself to do the job), which has now been reported as banned.

Don't think you're safe in assuming this will prevent you from being banned. The best advice I've seen is for people to pick up a new core 360 for playing on Xbox Live and leave another 360 solely for backups. Remember you can swap the HDD from one to the other, keeping your content with you as you travel.

Martin

oh man    thats not good. By the way, do I have to be online all the time when I play my xbla games? or just once? For example: I dont have Internet connection but I download games from my neighbors console with my HDD.