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[sosotiit]

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no discussion on
-no Off topic discussion: this is limited to discussion in IXtreme FW
-discussing Backups on Live
-no use of illegal copies
-no antagonistic posts
-NO THEORIES ON BAN this is the technical section (read the pinned http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603855 as there is a place for that  http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603700).
-all other rules still applies

 

[walterg74]

QUOTE(gerzand @ May 22 2007, 03:29 AM)

http://www.kev.nu/360/dvdshort.html

Nice link... too bad it asks for user/pass...

[feflicker]

Why does every thread turn into a "mods are only for pirates" discussion?

Sure, everyone will concede that way too many people use these hacks for piracy purposes. That is why sites like X-S do not allow those people to post about it, and furthermore will ban these people. These people are not encouraged to be here!

The bottom line is that there is a legitimate reason to backup optical media that you own! As long as this is the case, then there is a need for this modding!

Now, if MS$ would just replace scratched discs for free, then there wouldn't be a legitimate need for a drive hack, then X-S could ban all talks of it, couldn't they  

[noobiex2]

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If your console is not banned yet, it's highly suggested you don't boot any burned discs, originals should be ok, even when offline (MS might be storing results of some checks in flash), until the release of the new FW.

I understand that this is just a guess on their part, but to make sure isn't there a way to locate and delete these events written to flash? It seems as though this would solve a lot of peoples problems if in fact it is possible.


MS-28 5.2C--Still not banned.
Flashed AFTER connecting to live first time.
Have played backups

 

[Winchy]

QUOTE(feflicker @ May 22 2007, 05:42 PM)

The bottom line is that there is a legitimate reason to backup optical media that you own! As long as this is the case, then there is a need for this modding!

Christmas day, brother bought me all seasons of scrubs for my birthday (same day), half way through season one disc one it starts skipping and ends up with a fat ring around it. Thought to myself 'damn, aint gonna let that happen to my £40 games too'.

Never watched any DVDs on it since.
Damn you MS. Fix your scratched disc error instead of banning everyone haha.

[djxxx]

QUOTE(XanTium @ May 22 2007, 04:57 AM)

it's probably possible (some) of these checks are done by the kernel and could be logged into flash ... so even playing burned discs offline is a risk if you don't want to get banned from LIVE.

If these checks are stored, I`m sure its possible to erase so MS see nothing.........

[kylec2425]

C4E and GaryOPA mad love and support, keep causing the headaches 2 them M$ S.O.B.s

[ptnguyen203]

I think it is very true about how the games were backed up, about the SS and all.

I have a hitachi 59 with the latest 2.4 firmware. after flashing my drive i did the spring update.

All my games are not downloaded. I backed them up from my originals (or my brother's)

I dump the games using the Samsing 16c with the kreon .81 firmware and do 1:1 copies

All my games still plays online just fine. I have been checking it often and still hasnt been banned.

hope it stays that way until new firmware are released.

[Mellow Yellow]

so what i read so far is that the 360 keeps a log of u playing back ups so  if i was to take my hdd from my modded 360 and put on my new  360 then will M$ know that ive been playign backups casue of the log,

does it log onto the hdd or 360 itself

another thing ppl dl gamesaves and get banned so by swapping hdd isnt that really  the same??
just my thought

[TerminatR]

QUOTE(bonsc2 @ May 22 2007, 10:55 AM)

What happens when you need the new updates to play the latest games.

Lots of games have the updates included right on the DVD, but if you remain up to date on XBL you would never realize this because you never see the checks or the prompts.

For example, Crackdown, TMNT and Need for Speed: Carbon all require the Fall 2006 update to play. If you dont have it, it won't let you play the game (even offline) until you update via the DVD. No internet connection required.

My console is still pre-Fall 2006 update so theres a few games I simply cant play.  

In the end, this is how Microsoft will win, once they shut us out completely, and the new games will prompt for an update that will kill the firmware hack (whenever that day comes)  

[sephiro499]

Big different thought between the 360 and the original xbox.  At least with the original xbox if you were willing to take the risk to mod it you had so many advantages with the homebrew applications.  With the 360 your only real advantage is playing your backups and then again you really can't even be sure to play them on xbox live (which is 50% of the 360 imho).  

You had alot more to gain with the first xbox in terms of modding than you do currently with the 360.

[sosotiit]

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MANY POSTS  REMOVED

Many posts removed, sanction to be served for all
BEFORE POSTING YOU MUST FIRST READ:       http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603855

no discussion on
-no Off topic discussion: this is limited to discussion in IXtreme FW and not a debate on hacking vs piracy
-discussing Backups on Live
-no use of illegal copies
-no antagonistic posts
-NO THEORIES ON BAN this is the technical section (read the pinned http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603855 as there is a place for that  http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=603700).
-all other rules still applies

 

[mat82284]

QUOTE(TerminatR @ May 22 2007, 05:25 PM)

Lots of games have the updates included right on the DVD, but if you remain up to date on XBL you would never realize this because you never see the checks or the prompts.

For example, Crackdown, TMNT and Need for Speed: Carbon all require the Fall 2006 update to play. If you dont have it, it won't let you play the game (even offline) until you update via the DVD. No internet connection required.

My console is still pre-Fall 2006 update so theres a few games I simply cant play.  

In the end, this is how Microsoft will win, once they shut us out completely, and the new games will prompt for an update that will kill the firmware hack (whenever that day comes)  

You could always buy a core system and swap your hd drive over to it and update it with the origial discs "which you should have other wise thats illegal" or even better call your friend over and swap you hdd drives and put in the game and do the update!

[TerminatR]

QUOTE(mat82284 @ May 22 2007, 06:33 PM)

You could always buy a core system and swap your hd drive over to it and update it with the origial discs "which you should have other wise thats illegal" or even better call your friend over and swap you hdd drives and put in the game and do the update!

I don't think you were quite understanding the concept I was trying to illustrate. The backup copies are able to update the 360 via DVD the same as an original store bought disc can.

For example, I updated to the Spring 2006 dash update with the scene release of Prey as opposed to downloading it from Xbox Live. I have chosen by my own free will not to install the Fall 2006 or Spring 2007 updates. In doing so, I forgo the opportunity to play certain games, but thats my choice.

What I was trying to demonstrate is that with the release of one of these updates, we will be put into a situation where - if you update its Game-Over for the firmware hack. After that point, future games would be protected by including the update on the DVD.

That day hasnt come yet. But how far away are we?

[The Dude]

It seems rediculous that MS would ban a console based only on the machine being powered on without the dvd-rom connected. Just because you open the case doesn't mean you attempted to mod.

As far as I know there is no law against taking apart a machine that you own, and as far as I know you are not violating xbox live policy by taking apart your machine. You are only voiding the warantee.

Only speculation here...

If MS is logging disconnected dvd drives and using this to ban consoles it is most likely they are using this information in addition to "timing" issues with backup discs. For example they have logs of timing issues from your machine and they have a log of the dvd drive being disconnected then they can be 99.9% sure the console is modified and running backup discs. A disconnected dvd drive error could only indicate say a 10-25% chance of the console actually being modded.

Perhaps MS needs mutiple timing errors (say for example timing errors could be caused by scratched/damaged original games) in conjuction with a disconnected dvd drive disconnect error to deffinitively prove a console is modified. This may explain why some consoles have not been banned at this point.