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[VampX]

[Likklebaer]

QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 7 2005, 07:00 PM)

My analogy was absurd, of course, but jan's is not. It is also not a debate on rationality, but perception of morals.

[Viewtiful Asher]

wow...

the emulation talk show.

*silluete of a dark woman talking*

i told my husband...george... that torrent with a fullset its too illegal.

but he didnt hear...

from there... we havent had sex all because of that damn tetris attack. *sob*

[psxpirate1]

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Either it's a Neo-Geo emulator or it isn't. Either it's open-source or it isn't. Make up your minds and stop trying to dress it up as something it's not with meaningless crap.

I couldn't agree more.

[radio5]

[psxpirate1]

If coders want a guaranteed fool proof way of not abusing a project,.. then make it closed-source and stop bitching about all the ass-humping their code gets by whoever decides to modify it. "Oh please.. please respect my code" It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.

[lantus]

QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ Apr 8 2005, 12:00 AM)

If coders want a guaranteed fool proof way of not abusing a project,.. then make it closed-source and stop bitching about all the ass-humping their code gets by whoever decides to modify it. "Oh please.. please respect my code" It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.

[Thraxen]

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It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.

It all part of the same hypocrisy in this situation.

And, Lantus, you are exactly right, they do hold all the cards since they are the authors.  Not much I can do about it since I'm a microbiologist, not a programmer :-)  But I can, and will, give my opinion.  

What gets me is people hack the PC versions all the time and they keep releasing the source code.  People hack the XBox version and they whine, cry, and take their ball home.  WTF?  More non-sense.  I just don't get how they, or anyone, claims the XBox emu scene it so bad.  Nothing goes on here that doesn't or wouldn't occur in the PC scene.  For example, imagine if suddenly all the source code and hacked emulators suddenly disappeared from the PC scene.  You would have a large portion of the PC emu scene (many of us are part of that scene as well, BTW) suddenly complaining and asking for the hacked emus.   You just don't see it because the devs don't throw the same bitch fits over the PC scene like they do over the XBox scene.  More hypocrisy.

P.S.  Iriez, my WinXP Pro is legit as well.  I just by stuff like that OEM to get it at good prices.

[lantus]

[badmonkey]

QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 7 2005, 07:37 PM)

omg i mentioned something related to surreal in this thread 

[HK$]

I think Iriez really shouldnt put the special version FBA-XXX or MAMEoX which support banned games on xbins.

[badmonkey]

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Oh cool.
Thanks to the cooooool FBA-XXX, now there are more and more ppl think they dont need to follow the rules or respect the author wishes.

We all pick what rules we think are worth following.

Thanks to the cooooool FBA, now there are more and more ppl who think they don't need to follow the rules or respect the author's wishes.


You see a difference between an emulator that plays thousands of arcade games up to 3 years ago, and one that plays all the ones it can.

I don't.



Like I already said...

How do you think SNK felt about all those people playing Metal Slug 3 on their Xbox, before their planned release of that game for the Xbox?

How do you think Namco or Midway feel about people playing the games from their arcade compilation releases without buying those releases?


I don't see any of these emu developers pulling support for those games.



Again, as I already said...

You got a Ferrari, you are not going to be obeying the speed limit. It is still a law. A rule if you will. Developers that whine about such things as FBA-XXX are just naive. Open source may not specifically give permission for people to do whatever they feel like doing with that code, but it does put it out there for it to happen.




Not everyone is going to agree with a moral based rule like the 3 year rule, and they will work around it when possible.

If a developer is going to be so touchy about the subject, then they always have the option of closing the source.

[Thraxen]

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Thanks to the cooooool FBA-XXX, now there are more and more ppl think they dont need to follow the rules or respect the author wishes.

I'll say it again... Most emu devs aren't respecting the wishes of any game devs or publishers, so they really have no moral leg to stand on when they expect others to follow their wishes.  For them to get so upset about it is pure non-sense.  Pot, meet kettle.  They are exactly the same, but just too arrogant to either see or admit it.   That's why this issue will never be resolved.  Anyway, FBAXXX doesn't technically violate any so-called "rules" any longer.  

And badmoney is exactly right, the whole bias against the scene is based almost entirely in the fact that it is a console scene.  They can blame it on the hacked emus all they want, but as I've pointed out nothing that occurs here is any different that what happens in the PC emu scene.  The bias and ignorance is astounding.

[Silentjay420]

Sweet jews for jesus this is fun to watch at times.
Thanks to the originals on this great emulator.
Thanks to the new crew working on this great emulator.
Now everyone, quit being so god damn angry, step away from the computer and go play some fuckin' Mario 64.. or Zelda.. or WWF/WCW.. or Buck Bumble if your a lil light in the loafers.. have some fun again

[badmonkey]

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No, they do respect the game devs, or you cant see the 3 year rules 
So this is a balance between emu devs and game companies.

I doubt the game companies see it that way.

Oh... They are only allowing people to play pirated versions of our games 3 years or older. That is a relief.


oh well

As I said in my first post in this thread...


This debate will never have an end.


We will all go round and round till we are blue in the face, and when this round ends, it will be as it was when it started, so as to begin it all again another day. There will always be rules. There will always be people that disagree with them. There will always be people that break em.

If the source is put out there, then it is just plain silly to think that such a "rule" as the 3 year thing will ever be followed.