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[Likklebaer]

A license is stupid when the author's entire justification for it is "'cos I say so". Nobody has yet been able to provide a satisfactory explanation as to how pirating one game is less moral than pirating another, regardless of age. It's still playing without paying unless you own the game (and I'm sure there are some folks with legit copies of SVC Chaos).

Emu authors ignore games companies wishes by providing the means to play their 'intellectual properties' on platforms other than those they were designed to be played on. And then bitch when users do the same to them.

And if you don't want people messing with your code then don't release it. Relying on the moral fibre of a scene based on piracy is just plain dumb.

[elvato]

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 6 2005, 04:32 PM)

Nobody has yet been able to provide a satisfactory explanation as to how pirating one game is less moral than pirating another, regardless of age. It's still playing without paying unless you own the game

that's truth

QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 6 2005, 04:32 PM)

Emu authors ignore games companies wishes by providing the means to play their 'intellectual properties' on platforms other than those they were designed to be played on. And then bitch when users do the same to them.

That's also thruth... the difference is that when they are doing it, it's ok and they don't disrespect anything, but when someone is working with their code, it's inmoral and such..

The original surral is great, i bet the original authors did many many work on this emu, but that was long time ago, and I know that they are working hard on surreal v2... but at this time people got tired of waiting, but that's mainly for the original authors overhyping(spell?) it for so many time but giving nothing to the emu community besides long long delays

this new xxx version is only an upgrade to the original, improves some things, replaces others, but, as gogo wrote in this forum, it's only a beta, it stills have some errors, bugs and such but, releasing the beta and making the emu community test it and report bugs, it's gogo and daves way to work on it... different methods same result in the end as I believe the ultimate end is to make a 100% perfect N64 emulation on XBOX.

I know that kind of releases bring some "kiddies", "leechers", "lamers", and name wathever you want to add to the list (the fact that we give those people that type of "categories" make us elitist, you know?)... but then again these people will always be there and sooner or later they will appear... I think we all should be aware of that and stop complaining... if someone doesn't want this version then don't use it and wait for the next surreal, if you like it then use it and if you want to, help reporting bugs to try to make it more stable... it's not that hard to understand


please people don't try to fool yourselves, the emulation scence is almost 100% illegal, and some licenses are broken, but sometimes it seems that some people either don't want to accept it, or keep liying to themselves that it isn't...

C'ya..
P.S. i think i went a little offtopic here... maybe....

[Likklebaer]

QUOTE(nagmine @ Apr 6 2005, 10:45 PM)

3 years go by and u dont see kof2000 in arcades.. why? cause it isnt making money anymore.

[Mr.INSANE]

sorry for being a retard reread it now with captials

i figure its about time to step in and say something. In this case devs have all the right in the world to change the skin they did rewrite the ui didt they so the old surreal ui would not work. I am really getting sick and tired of this constant bashing look at you guys your whining over a skin and that the real surrel v2 is taking forever well guess what this is the real world it may come out it may not. surreal v2 is supposed to be released by christmas i love the devs release there awesome they actually took time out of there lifes to add some stuff to it. You know whats even worse if lantus hadnt release the source people would bitch all over the forums about no updates but they do anyways. i have been a member of the scene for quite awhile ive had a look at alot of things but this has gone on far enough. Why do you guys think there arent alot of updates to the xbox becuase people are tired of all this shit about oh you didnt support this so it sucks. I am tired of this crap but no matter what its not going to go away. While im at it ill say one thing that has made me lose my fucking mind people who make a whole thread about one fucking problem. Why cant the post in the compatabilty thread why becuase they are idiots and they like to waste xbox scenes mod time with there crap. on my last note DEVS can do whatever they want with the source lantus released it so people would add there own things to it not for people to flame all day about it.

[themadman123]

I still didn't read it, make paragraphs. its just bunched up together.

[incognegro]

hmmmmm........The way i see it is, none of these ppl are contributing to the advancement of surreal by all this bickering. Original authors deserve respect for making this wonderful emulater. gogo made a valid attempt at improving an emulater that was in dire need of updating. I don't see anybody else other than those that worked on surreal xxx adding anything to this emulater. By being a part of this argumment theyre only taking away from a wonderful thing and as a person that plays this on a regular basis, I have to say FUCK YOU ALL! If your not contributing to making surreal better then shut the fuck up........simple! It's kinda frustrating to read this and realising that this is not helping, If there is ever going to be a truly great version of the emulator this garbage should stop. Don't critcize if you can't do a better job and if you can; do it!

[VampX]

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A Call For The True V2 Surreal

Wont the real Surreal please stand up! please stand up!

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dont hit me

[HK$]

For Surreal, no one said the xxx version is not good.
One more choice for ppl is good.
You can choose what you like to use for N64 emulation.
But for FBAxxx, that is not the problem....

[radio5]

Right or Wrong, the way I see it is this:

Progress on Nintendo 64 emulation on the Scene, which is drying up fast.

And as far as Gogo, er... goes, despite his attitude (possibly caused by culture clash/language barrier?) I think he's receiving a little too much shit. I mean, at least he's contributing, which is more than most of us (myself included) can do.

[Mr.INSANE]

QUOTE(themadman123 @ Apr 7 2005, 12:54 AM)

I still didn't read it, make paragraphs. its just bunched up together.

[Thraxen]

Haha... more "developer's wishes" debates.  I'm jumping in late, but I'm throwing this out anyway.  Iriez talks about Gogo ignoring the FBA devs wishes, how disrespectful it is, and how the original devs (as opposed to porters) should be the most respected.  Yeah, maybe they should get more respect than porters, but what is ignored, yet again, is the actual wishes of the original game devs.   Did Jan, or whoever, ask any SNK or Capcom devs if they cared if their games were emulated.  Doubt it.  So go ahead and bitch at Gogo about disrespecting team FBA, but the disrespect starts earlier than that.  Hey, I love emulators like anyone else here, but I'm sick of these ludicrous debates.  When will people own up to the fact that emulators are a bit shady to begin with and any debates of this nature are purely hypocritcal?

[HK$]

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE(HK$ @ Apr 7 2005, 04:45 AM)

GOGO is a coder not a porter, lantus and Tmaul is the porter of FBAx at the beginning and they should gain the most respect beside the original authors of FBA.

[Gotetsu]

QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 7 2005, 12:51 AM)

in the early days it was fun, these days its just bleh

[jimjom]