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[teigas1]

I have just got my xbox 360 with samsung drive, and the latest f/w version. Tried to burn with my hp 640c, but no luck. When i stick inn the disc, it says reading reading, and then it stops, and nothing happens. I can then use the button to open the tray, and close it again. Is this the open tray error? Or is this somthing else? Please explain? Kinda new to this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[mantagtj]

QUOTE(teigas1 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:58 PM)

Is this the open tray error? Or is this somthing else? Please explain? Kinda new to this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

WELCOME TO THE OPEN TRAY ERROR!

yes you're right geeza.

I mentioned it in an earlier post but someone took the razz outta me (HEET .... KMA)

/anyways I recieved this on every VERBATIM disk/

tried rubberband trick

and somehow my laser is dead now for some reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

just stick with 4.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

GOOD LUCK AND MERRY xmas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Druggedpolak]

hp640c no worky for me and another guy. He was using a samsung and got the same error too. I was on a hitachi and got insert into 360 error. Get a different burner such as a  Pioneer DVR-111D.
Merry Christmas  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[teigas1]

Okey, will try with a pioneer 111d when i recive it, it has been ordered. Will that solve the open tray error? Will also try with a plexwriter later today..

[majik655]

QUOTE(teigas1 @ Dec 24 2006, 10:04 PM)

Okey, will try with a pioneer 111d when i recive it, it has been ordered. Will that solve the open tray error? Will also try with a plexwriter later today..

well there really is no way for us to tell you for certain if it will fix your issue because the OPEN TRAY "error" is not really an error.

The open tray error is really just the drive not reading the disk for whatever the reason may be.  Which is why it is hard to say because there are alot of reasons why this could happen.  And for us to help you there is no specific thing people can point to except to point to all the issues that could cause it to happen which again is basically everything or anything.  

Such as:

1. Burner - this can be one problem... the RECOMMENDED way is pioneer 111d  .. yes you will see others saying other drives work.. but to MAKE SURE this is not the problem it is best to use the recommened burner...people will say this "could" be your problem otherwise.

2. Media - again recommended is verbatim any other media people will point to as MAYBE being the problem.
maybe there are scratches etc etc..  is it possible that CRAPPY BURNS OR MEDIA can cause damage to the dvd drive reading it?    possibly if you ask me.. it all depends on what has happened so far etc etc..


3. Burn speed - RECOMMENDED is slowest (this now adays is 2.4x) yes there are those that burn at 8x with no problems... SOME will even say 8x is better (I personally do not see how as the burn is not as "deep" as slowest speed) but again depending on the BURNER and PC and 360 drive combo this may work perfectly fine.   But to MAKE SURE it is not the problem burn at slowest speed for now.

4. Burning program - Recommended is Clonecd - again this is just the recommended app to use.

5. 360 dvd drive itself - this could be hardware related... or maybe at some point it BECAME hardware related for whatever reason maybe the tray or laser became misaligned?   who knows?  this is why the rubber band trick has happened.  Some drives over extend reading the disk... is this firmware related?  no one has proven this yet.

6. Finally the firmware - you will again get mixed signals on this one... some will say it can not happen, the firmware does not cause this...... yet there are those that have used 4.2 with no open tray issues then go to 5.0 and got tray issues... then go back to 4.2 and have no problems.    

Is it possible for the firmware to be the issue?   well yes it could be...especially when there are 2 types of firmares to flash   A  or B  which are SPEED related... so if you flash with 5.0 A   maybe try 5.0 B  same thing for 4.2 for that matter.


And then there is the combo of multiple issues of items 1-6  this is why it is difficult for anyone to specifically tell you what your problem is.   You are going to have to try everything and try the RECOMMENDED ways first just to get to where you can prove things are NOT the problem.  (or shouldn't be)

This post has been edited by majik655: Dec 25 2006, 07:13 AM

[romainr]

QUOTE(teigas1 @ Dec 24 2006, 09:58 AM)

I have just got my xbox 360 with samsung drive, and the latest f/w version. Tried to burn with my hp 640c, but no luck. When i stick inn the disc, it says reading reading, and then it stops, and nothing happens. I can then use the button to open the tray, and close it again. Is this the open tray error? Or is this somthing else? Please explain? Kinda new to this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I got open tray errors after 3 months of using some my backups (happened with at least ten different games).  I have a samsung with xtreme 2.0.  im having it reflashed.  i burned every backup  with clone cd at 2x, used verbatim, pio drive.  My origionals works perfectly fine so as some other backups i have.  I took proper care of my discs.

This post has been edited by romainr: Dec 25 2006, 07:28 AM

[majik655]

QUOTE(romainr @ Dec 24 2006, 10:34 PM)

I got open tray errors after 3 months of using some my backups (happened with at least ten different games).  I have a samsung with xtreme 2.0.  im having it reflashed.  i burned every backup  with clone cd at 2x, used verbatim, pio drive.  My origionals works perfectly fine so as some other backups i have.  I took proper care of my discs.

yes you are using 2.0 ...some of the differences in firmware revisions had to do with media detection (media support)  so 3.0 and higher I would think would offer BETTER media support.

My question is why do they work for 3 months THEN you get open tray error.
You are not the only one I see this happen to.. it kinda goes along the line of the backups are causing the problems to the drives... why?  Like I wonder if backups cause the laser to read too hard... enough that it wears out the drive or weakens it some how.    Wonder what will happen with the new firmware especially with the different read speed firmwares.

[teigas1]

thx , for the heads up. Will try a few things today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[teigas1]

I am happy to annaunce that it worked with a different burner. tried a Plextor 716 and that worked perfect. Burned Tiger wood, gears of wars and nba 2007 all on verbatims.

[romainr]

QUOTE(majik655 @ Dec 25 2006, 01:52 AM)

yes you are using 2.0 ...some of the differences in firmware revisions had to do with media detection (media support)  so 3.0 and higher I would think would offer BETTER media support.

My question is why do they work for 3 months THEN you get open tray error.
You are not the only one I see this happen to.. it kinda goes along the line of the backups are causing the problems to the drives... why?  Like I wonder if backups cause the laser to read too hard... enough that it wears out the drive or weakens it some how.    Wonder what will happen with the new firmware especially with the different read speed firmwares.

i had the same problem with Sega Dreamcast.  The backups would work for 3months-1year and then the drive would stop reading backups, then eventually stop reading all disks.   I will keep a close eye on this issue an post.

[majik655]

QUOTE(romainr @ Dec 25 2006, 07:35 PM)

i had the same problem with Sega Dreamcast.  The backups would work for 3months-1year and then the drive would stop reading backups, then eventually stop reading all disks.   I will keep a close eye on this issue an post.

Well there is the laser itself too.....
The pot calibration on the laser basically adjusts the power to the laser .. (I am not a pro here so I appologize for maybe butchering the terminology)
the laser itself you can say if not enough power to the laser... the laser may not read the disks... the laser itself will LAST LONGER ...

if the laser gets more power..  it possibly will read the disks better... however this will make the laser go dead SOONER...ALSO too much power would also  possibly not read disks.

There are tutorials to show how to adjust these pots... the pots are different sometimes on the lasers since it is adjusted and set with basically multimeters one could read say 100 the next 150 or 125  etc etc.. adjusting the laser say from 100 to 120 could possibly make all the difference.. THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT!!!!  THEY ARE ONLY TO SHOW THE RATIO OF ADJUSTMENT!!!  you would have to do some research to find out the best pot adjustment...

The above is just an example of what it could be also...  however I just cannot believe no matter what the pot is set from the manufacture that the drive would die after say 3 months just for reading backups which take a little more effort to read than originals .   Sure 1 year or maybe 2 whatever  but not 3 months out of the box.. this is why it is hard to point out that this may be the problem.  POSSIBLY for SOME but definently can't be for all right?

Just some more info thats all.

This post has been edited by majik655: Dec 26 2006, 04:42 AM

[romainr]

QUOTE(majik655 @ Dec 25 2006, 10:49 PM)

Well there is the laser itself too.....
The pot calibration on the laser basically adjusts the power to the laser .. (I am not a pro here so I appologize for maybe butchering the terminology)
the laser itself you can say if not enough power to the laser... the laser may not read the disks... the laser itself will LAST LONGER ...

if the laser gets more power..  it possibly will read the disks better... however this will make the laser go dead SOONER...ALSO too much power would also  possibly not read disks.

There are tutorials to show how to adjust these pots... the pots are different sometimes on the lasers since it is adjusted and set with basically multimeters one could read say 100 the next 150 or 125  etc etc.. adjusting the laser say from 100 to 120 could possibly make all the difference.. THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT!!!!  THEY ARE ONLY TO SHOW THE RATIO OF ADJUSTMENT!!!  you would have to do some research to find out the best pot adjustment...

The above is just an example of what it could be also...  however I just cannot believe no matter what the pot is set from the manufacture that the drive would die after say 3 months just for reading backups which take a little more effort to read than originals .   Sure 1 year or maybe 2 whatever  but not 3 months out of the box.. this is why it is hard to point out that this may be the problem.  POSSIBLY for SOME but definently can't be for all right?

Just some more info thats all.

great info! thanks

[rwk71]

i did the pot tweak and fix my problems for awhile....here lately i started getting them again in my sammy drive.
this time i adjusted the 2 black screws at the back of the drive (2 holes in the tray in the back allow you to see the screws when the tray is closed with lid removed) i turned these which i believe lowers the laser from the disc may be wrong there and they stopped again. as of tonight all of the open tray errors are gone.
i tried all my backups to be sure.
fingers crossed

[romainr]

I just had my drive reflashed and im still getting alot of open tray errors.  Would swapping the drive to a new drive solve the problem? I would think so?

[jimjom]

try the rubberband trick

or

insert original til it loads the intro credits of the game (MUST BE ORIGINAL 360 DISC)


eject and close til OPEN TRAY appears

open tray, insert backup

it will load