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[rasstar]

QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 21 2006, 04:15 PM)

Keep hoping. Lol. Only joking. I feel sorry for the hitachi crew. They take the hit every time.

I don't see this as a big deal and I have a Hitachi. One thing I know is that when MS tried to detect the firmware only Samsungs were affected.

[krayzie]

Let's not forget only executables are signed. Replacing some files has nothing to do with loosing signatures as long as they are not executables. They could make file specific checksums done by the executable ofcourse but I see this as a great step forward.

[quore]

Why are so many people concerned over the use of ISO's and cheating?  I am not saying that anyone is wrong or there opinions are far fetched because as far I know, it is true.  I just really dont understand because I have I have no clue.  Could anyone write it in crayon for me?

[quore]

oops, wrong post.

[mlapaglia]

1 PM here in the US (EST), no dash update yet...

[Textbook]

QUOTE(krayzie @ Nov 21 2006, 10:52 AM)

Let's not forget only executables are signed. Replacing some files has nothing to do with loosing signatures as long as they are not executables. They could make file specific checksums done by the executable ofcourse but I see this as a great step forward.

I was under the impression that nearly all files on the disc were signed now?

[krayzie]

QUOTE(Textbook @ Nov 21 2006, 06:04 PM)

I was under the impression that nearly all files on the disc were signed now?

never heard of such a thing. You have a source?

[sandmanza]

I can understand why C4 would do this but what I cant understand is why you would want to strip a 360 game, sure its great if in its original un-altered form only requires a dvd-r and not a dual layer one but removing videos and such to get to dvd-r size ? I dont understand why someone would want to do that.

[kingroach]

QUOTE(krayzie @ Nov 21 2006, 06:11 PM)

never heard of such a thing. You have a source?

i dont think any 360 game has something like this but in xbox Conker live and reloaded had some protection so if you would remov eeven one file, the game would give a dirty disk message. Similar methods could be used in future games...

[TerminatR]

Simple. It's warez scene mentality to rip/strip a game down to its lowest playable form. The PC scene had horrendous rips for years before CD burners were available (and even to this day) removing video, sound and anything else they could. Often you could download optional addon packs, to reinstate those features back into the rips.

The PS2 scene was full of DVDrips, which meant CDrom sized images of DVD games accomplished by removing or reencoding movies, sound, splitting games up over more than one CD-rom. Sometimes unneeded dummy files were removed.

The Dreamcast scene had to do alot of creative downsizing since 1 Gigabyte discs (GD-rom) wasn't really accessible to the public. Many games fit on CD after removing dummy files or removing or downscaling movies. Other creative methods were also developed including an on-the-fly data unpacker (Kalisto /w Skies of Arcadia) to allow 1GB of compressed data on a 700MB CD and still unpack on the fly. simply amazing....

I don't see this as much different. I agree with you though that it detracts from the overall experience, and the extra money on a DL blank is well spent and ensures a more reliable backup.

QUOTE(sandmanza @ Nov 21 2006, 06:16 PM)

but what I cant understand is why you would want to strip a 360 game, sure its great if in its original un-altered form only requires a dvd-r and not a dual layer one but removing videos and such to get to dvd-r size ? I dont understand why someone would want to do that.

This post has been edited by TerminatR: Nov 21 2006, 06:38 PM

[quore]

QUOTE(mlapaglia @ Nov 21 2006, 11:03 AM)

1 PM here in the US (EST), no dash update yet...

Yeah.  I just took my lunch break and went home to play GoW.  I was not prompted for an update.

[krayzie]

QUOTE(kingroach @ Nov 21 2006, 06:27 PM)

i dont think any 360 game has something like this but in xbox Conker live and reloaded had some protection so if you would remov eeven one file, the game would give a dirty disk message. Similar methods could be used in future games...

Like I said checksums from files can easily be inserted into an xbe file as well as possible other ways to verify the precence and/or validity of a file. This however still has not much to do with signing all the files.

(also I remember to have a stripped down conker on a dvd5 playing just fine.)

This post has been edited by krayzie: Nov 21 2006, 06:46 PM

[nooz]

thanks for the news on the v78. glad to hear c4e will be working on it too, two heads are better than one eh.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[quenlin]

So i'm reading all of these posts about people being terrified of cheating becoming possible on Live with hacked firmwares, and the first thought that pops into my head is that you have to be 10 kinds of stupid to flash your firmware to play illegal backups and then connect directly to microsoft to play it. If you're going to be a criminal, at least have half a braincell about it and don't make it THAT easy for MS to catch you.

Be aware of the fact that MS either may or may not be able to detect people with hacked firmwares online. If they can, it's quite possible they can collect data about your use, specifically your IP address. After that, they can attempt to prosecute people if they so choose. They did it with WinXP and can probably do it with X360.

And before I start getting flamed, be aware that this is just a friendly warning. I'm not making any moral judgements of people, and i'm not calling anybody any names. So please consider that before posting any insulting responses with broken english, bad spelling, and/or poor grammar.

This post has been edited by quenlin: Nov 21 2006, 06:49 PM

[sha]

QUOTE(Matt_Tracy @ Nov 20 2006, 10:31 PM)

Hmm...

ISO support = people will find ways to cheat by altering the files = Microsoft will try even harder to start banning people?  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

That's one of the main reasons people were banned from the original XBL, aside from piracy of course.

You are right about that.  Still people will only be able to change certain files.  This will be detectable and those that change the files will be banned.  As for those that are using the start rip that are out there will be good.  I think the DL method is going to be the standard.