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[atlcj0010]

so how long til this comes out.. i am plannign on flashing my drive tonight, but i may wait and get this one.. this way i can just use single layer dvds and play games.. instead of expensive DL.. anwyay.. anybody know if there will be a specific media we have to use.. will it still be DVD+R?  Ok well thanks and can't wait.. keep up the good work.

[thepita]

there is a dash update coming on the 22nd. I know this becuase if you watch the video for the the video marketplace the buttons for the different areas have pictures on them. They currently do no have those images. I said when the other update came out I think its a two parter and thats why they were having issues with some stuff because they split it. They fixed it super quick to so i think there will be more stuff added i.e web browser, movies section update, backwards comp update and other misc stuff. In major nelson's podcast he brought up a web browser but didnt say anything about wether the 360 gets one or not he quickly skipped that question.

[crasher0255]

QUOTE(stampeder @ Nov 21 2006, 02:18 PM)

It's hardly a secret that a dash update is supposed to come on or around nov22 when the video marketplace is updated.

Majornelson said there was NO dashboard update needed to use video marketplace (It was included in the fall update) on his podcast, he just said that when they 'flip the switch' the video marketplace section of your dash will look a bit different

[dinzy]

QUOTE(sbmd @ Nov 21 2006, 02:10 PM)

This is great news!! Games are so expensive that backing them up to dvd-dl was making it all real expensive. I am so happy that we may be able to put games (well only some) on single layer dvds, that I will now be able to save my games for cheaper than before. I do not need any of my $60 games being scratched unusable. But I do feel that since they will be on single layers, (cheaper and easier for most to burn) that alot more people will join in on backing up their games, and I think that M$ will now in fact being trying harder than ever to block backups from being launched in the 360.

Huh?  The disks are 2 bucks if you buy them in packs of 20.  2 dollars is not much compared to or in addition to 60 dollars. Besides the price will eventually fall.  Back when I bought my first DVD-R drive disks were over 1.00 in packs of 50.  Now they are dirt cheap.  DL disks will eventually be cheaper than 2x the cost of SL disks at ahich point they will all but replace them

[Textbook]

Can't wait to try this out!  

[calvin940]

However much I admire C4 for his work, I think he should abort the ISO support.  Single layer may be fine, but I think that the use of ISO (and potential modification of files) will do more harm than good.  RIght now I enjoy the fact that I can keep my originals in storage and not care about scratches the backups get.  Enabling the ISO support may be just what will push MS over the top and start attacking this whole enterprise.  I see very little value in ISO support and it jeopardizes what we have now.

Nevertheless, once again I applaud C4 for his hard work.  Nice job man.

Calvin

[rasstar]

QUOTE(JORT @ Nov 21 2006, 07:46 AM)

Any ideas what the live update is? Something to counter the DVD firmware's? Just wondering because it was vague.

How would anyone know? Ask Bill gates.

[jo7a]

Wow Commodore4eva  u rock !

[Perplexer]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:33 AM)

I see very little value in ISO support and it jeopardizes what we have now.

I, on the other hand, feel that ISO and file support will allow us to explore file structure on a number of games and possibly find an exploit which could lead to a "real" hack.  

What we have now is an ability to "back up," i.e. pirate, games.  The 360 is of little interest to me until we have homebrew.

[adamscybot]

It really is a shame the hitachi is falling wau behind now. Massive props to GaryOPA but it looks like with hit a brick wall somewhere.


If C4E could work on this too it would be such a great thing. I tihnk the first step is media stealth for the Hitachi (we are all risking ourselves at the moment).

Then after that these mods too. Single layer support!!

Adam

[calvin940]

QUOTE(Perplexer @ Nov 21 2006, 10:51 AM)

I, on the other hand, feel that ISO and file support will allow us to explore file structure on a number of games and possibly find an exploit which could lead to a "real" hack.  

What we have now is an ability to "back up," i.e. pirate, games.  The 360 is of little interest to me until we have homebrew.

I know what the intent is, however, you know what people are like.  THey will cheat any chance they get and they will use it to spoil things for others.  That's my point.

Even tho I would choose to stay with 4.x, it will be the exploiters that will ruin it for all.  Anyway, for better or for worse it will continue.  I just think the cost is too high.

Calvin

[Xx The 0ne xX]

with this new ts fw u can backup ur games to regualr dvd-r??

[Textbook]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:33 AM)

However much I admire C4 for his work, I think he should abort the ISO support.  Single layer may be fine, but I think that the use of ISO (and potential modification of files) will do more harm than good.  RIght now I enjoy the fact that I can keep my originals in storage and not care about scratches the backups get.  Enabling the ISO support may be just what will push MS over the top and start attacking this whole enterprise.  I see very little value in ISO support and it jeopardizes what we have now.

Nevertheless, once again I applaud C4 for his hard work.  Nice job man.

Calvin

Making the images in ISO format changes nothing.  Even with the current images, files can be replaced.  You can use wx360 and replace the file in the RAW image.  Does that mean the backup will work?  Probably not.  If the files you changed are signed, the backups won't work at all.  This will not change.

This changes nothing in terms of the ability to change any files.  This doesn't help cheaters at all (fortunately) but (unfortunately) it also means it doesn't help the homebrew effort.

The only thing this changes are the size of the images.

All the files are still signed and untouchable.

Unfortunately, the day we get homebrew is the day we get cheaters as well.  

[Havok]

QUOTE(Wargrip @ Nov 21 2006, 01:29 PM)

Spot on! I totally agree. Unless somehow the non-executable files could be modified to enable cheating (make a wall texture transparent to see through it during multiplayer etc) so the executable remains unchanged but other files are modified. I doubt that every file in an iso is signed although I could be wrong.

I could be way off the mark here so apologies if I am being a noob.

Your have more insight then most people so I wouldn't call yourself a n00b.  This is exactly the case.  Many files are the disc are not signed.  I do not think cheating has been widespread because you have to make a tiny change, burn it to DVD+R DL and 9 times out of 100 you will get a coaster or it wont have the affect you want.   Unless I am reading into this too much... single layer opens the possibility of using DVD+RW which really opens the flood gates...  as it costs only time to experminent and not actual $$$.

It's a double edged sword because it does open the possibility for finding other system exploits... possibly leading to homebrew.

[uberfrost]

hope the hitachi will get something like this...