QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Nov 28 2006, 08:36 PM)

I take it you have never looked at the back of any of your originals and compared it to the back of the backup. Either that or you don't have any originals.
Take every single one of your originals (including FEAR if you have it) and look where the disc press stopped, around the exact same point your burner stops on every single one of your backups. All xbox360 games are on a DL disc no matter if the game files take the space up or not. Actually, 360 games are all the same size once pressed (this is part of M$'s disc security). So yes, even a 1GB game would be pressed at the factory as 7+GB DL DVD disc. Thus our RAW backups are not "further from the original disc format" (otherwise I dont think we would even call them RAW dumps).
Of course I have originals, how would I have backups without an original. And no I've never really looked at the bottom of my discs, never seen a point other than looking for scratches, but my originals stay in their cases after being backed-up so I should never have a scratch.
Yes you are correct about the disc being pressed to the outside, I notice (after looking at them) they are pressed all the way (even FEAR which yes I do own). I have backed-up all of my 360 games using my 360 and Xtreme tools and recently XBOX Backup Creator which do not show the actual files on the disc, and I don't believe Wxripper does either. So AFAIK there is no way to see the real size of a game yet. But recently I backed-up all 3 of the BK games. Image sizes are 1, 1.2, and 2 gigs, and that's with the 360 files included in the image. All 3 of those discs are also pressed to the edge.
Since you seem to know so much about M$'s signing/pressing process, what is on the rest of the disc then if you say it is data (which doesn't show up in the image or via FTP to the original disc)?
I admit I don't know much about disc pressing/manufacturing processes nor have I found much info on it, so please enlighten me/us on how they actually press the discs.