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[DoTsTeR]

QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 2 2006, 09:12 AM)

All I know is... all the people that said MS cant do anything and thought we are invincible!!!

Just shows how wrong you are.  I am SURE MS keeps an error log somewhere in the console.  If you got an error E66, it is probably recorded already... so the flag to set banns is already there.

Doubtful in my opinion

[phishead]

I havnt heard of anyone having this happen. I have a samsung with 1.0 firmware updated and got e71 error turned off my 360 turned it back on and it works fine now. I turned it off and back on a few time and played games and movies for some time with no problems.

[C-5]

I wonder if we will see a new FW from C4E soon...

Maybe he can inject some of the recent changes (Firmguard, better SS reading, and the speed options) into a MS25 based FW...

[gerzand]

just went to the store and bought a new 360 made in april 2006. On the first boot up EVER, I flashed the samsung ms25 drive with xtreme 4.2a. Turned it off and disconnected from computer. Booted it back up, and ran thru the setup wizard then connected to xbox live and got the fall update. worked like a charm. now MS has no info on this console if they were infact data mining previously.....

[Obveron]

QUOTE(C-5 @ Nov 2 2006, 03:31 PM)

I wonder if we will see a new FW from C4E soon...

Maybe he can inject some of the recent changes (Firmguard, better SS reading, and the speed options) into a MS25 based FW...

That would screw all ms28 owners because your proposed firmware would be a downgrade.
Besides, firmguard is essentially a ms28 feature.  MS28 can't be read.

[oohem]

I think commodore is wrong.

This seems pretty clear cut to me to be honest.  If you did not have the spring update when you updated to the fall one then it bugs out.  its a simple patch problem where they are not forcing incremental patches and instead allow you to skip some, which is bad.  This has been discussed on other forums and it makes 100% sense.

If all of this BS about checking drives [which i thought firmguard prevented...] was true, then why are there thousands of non-modified versions bricked right now?

They have figured out this has to do with the updates not the firmwares.

I have a replaced release-day ms25 [got red ring sent in, had new one within three days from launch] with 4.1b and i had the spring update before i modified it.  The spring update, if you are unsure, was the one that allowed you to download things in the background and queue downloads.  I updated last night no problem.

I think everyone is just freaking out over something that has nothing to do with us.... yet.

If c4e is so quick to announce they can check the firmwares now, perhaps he shouldnt have claimed firmguard was so bulletproof.  But i dont think thats it at all to be honest.  check the database.. how many consoles that arent modified and didnt have a spring update got bricked?  tons.  hitachi and TS.

just my thoughts.. this thought makes a heck of alot more sense than anything else i've read.

[gerzand]

QUOTE(oohem @ Nov 2 2006, 02:55 PM)

If c4e is so quick to announce they can check the firmwares now, perhaps he shouldnt have claimed firmguard was so bulletproof.  But i dont think thats it at all to be honest.  check the database.. how many consoles that arent modified and didnt have a spring update got bricked?  tons.  hitachi and TS.

Noone ever claimed that in the event of a kernel update, the modified firmwares would still work 100%. It has to be assumed that even if MS can no longer write to the firmware ( aka firmgard), they san still look at other variables that are your own fault for getting on xbox live with a modded console and getting updates their spring and fall updates which may log data and/or datamine.

Also, remember that these non-modified consoles that are getting bricked have nothing to do with mods or c4e's work. error71 doesnt cripple the console completely and if they are getting error66 it could be a multitude of other things such as swapped parts in factory due to bad testing results in QC or whatnot

[Biaz]

It is very unlikely that MS will ban anyone before christmas. If they do, people who think about buying an xbox 360 as a christmas present might think about getting the Wii or PS3 instead, because they have heard about how MS is banning "innocent users". By "innocent users" i mean people with firmware hack, who is so mad about being banned, that they start rumers about MS banning innocent people.

All negative publicity before the "great election" between Xbox/Wii/PS (Christmas shopping) will hurt Xbox sales, even if it's only fake rumors.

So until January next year, we can only speculate about what MS is capable of.

[Drunkn_Munky]

My original Xbox 360 had a Hitachi drive, but when I sent it back for repairs (the last dashboard upgrade screwed it up) it came back with a Toshiba/Samsung. Either it was a new console (which some people reported MS were doing - it did take just a day for them to fix it) or they changed the drive (can't see why they would).

oohem, try reading it again, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

[oohem]

QUOTE(Drunkn_Munky @ Nov 2 2006, 11:03 AM)

My original Xbox 360 had a Hitachi drive, but when I sent it back for repairs (the last dashboard upgrade screwed it up) it came back with a Toshiba/Samsung. Either it was a new console (which some people reported MS were doing - it did take just a day for them to fix it) or they changed the drive (can't see why they would).

oohem, try reading it again, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

dunno.. perhaps i read a bit too much into the firmguard thing but i have seen hundreds of people who bricked unmodified drives claim they had not had the spring update yet.  We shall all know in a few days for sure, and perhaps then, you shall all see that i do in fact have the "correct" end of the stick.

regardless, i wouldn't play with fire on this one, if you haven't updated the spring update yet, don't do the fall.

Perhaps it has to do with when you modified in regards to the spring update, ie, before or after?

Who knows.

BTW when you send a 360 in for repair, if your 360 comes back with the same serial, its the same box.  no sense changing that on a repair.

Just another note, its near impossible to avoid this update simply because there are tons of people who could care less about dashboard visual improvements, but im buying an hd-dvd drive and i would like the 1080p support.. this update is necessary for me.

[gerzand]

QUOTE(Drunkn_Munky @ Nov 2 2006, 03:03 PM)

oohem, try reading it again, you've got the wrong end of the stick.

thats for sure. oohem check my post on page 4. I'm not one of those hundreds of people.

[brywalker]

QUOTE(Biaz @ Nov 2 2006, 04:02 PM)

It is very unlikely that MS will ban anyone before christmas. If they do, people who think about buying an xbox 360 as a christmas present might think about getting the Wii or PS3 instead, because they have heard about how MS is banning "innocent users". By "innocent users" i mean people with firmware hack, who is so mad about being banned, that they start rumers about MS banning innocent people.

All negative publicity before the "great election" between Xbox/Wii/PS (Christmas shopping) will hurt Xbox sales, even if it's only fake rumors.

So until January next year, we can only speculate about what MS is capable of.

*IF* they are going to start banning, it will be on November 7th.

I have no doubts they are polling the systems right now. No stealth media on Hitachi, and the Samsung only has Firmguard. It's obvious they can see the changes there due to E66.

Only time will tell.

[adamscybot]

QUOTE(brywalker @ Nov 2 2006, 05:21 PM)

*IF* they are going to start banning, it will be on November 7th.

I have no doubts they are polling the systems right now. No stealth media on Hitachi, and the Samsung only has Firmguard. It's obvious they can see the changes there due to E66.

Only time will tell.

Stealth media for hitachi is rising in importance. only when that is FINALLY sorted after this drought on hitachi based drives will anyone ever be able to claim they are immune.

[jxoxn21]

lol. everyones speculation is pretty funny. here's mine:
nobody will be banned from live for f/w hacks nor will they even try to detect that. The day the 360 is capable of running unsigned code, those people will be banned. MS makes money off everyone on live whether or not they are using a backup copy or not. The reason people on orig Xbox Live got banned with modchips was because they could hack the games, run unsigned code, and CHEAT. lol, this is a huge corporation we're talking about a few people who are using a backup will not make any kind of dent in their profit. Pretty interesting stuff though. I love this forum, go ahead critics....

[Obveron]

What still remains to be explained is how ms25 owners are getting e66 with 4.x firmware.  It is a 'drive upgrade' and I don't think everyone who has this scenario has swapped their drives.