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Math1

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« Reply #120 on: October 03, 2006, 12:45:00 PM »

It would be pretty naieve to extrapolate that they can't block existing firmware hacks just because they are now using physical methods to prevent new hacks from happening. The two are not related.

Look at it this way, it costs them very little to add a little glue on the board during assembly. Even if they make their holiday numbers and have 10,000,000 machines on the market by Christmas, that is only 10% of their long term sales goal. If they can easily and cheaply make it really difficult to do a firmware hack for 90% of their long term market, they would be foolish not to do it. The harder it is to do, the fewer casual users will do it -- leaving the hack only to hard-core pirates and folks who just like f'ing around with hardware. And that is a tiny percentage of the population.

On the software side, anything they do to block existing hacks is only addressing 10% of the potential market. So it is less important overall, and since it is software, is will be more prone to being overcome by more hacking. Given limited SW dev resources (Xbox is a small part of Microsoft after all), they are probably focusing on features and adding benefits for users rather than spending a ton of effort on rushing out a DVD firmware fix. Will they do it? Yes because they have to make the gesture to protect the sales of games for their partners. But it is, in the long run, less important than preventing future hacks.

I am guessing that we will find that the glue used is pretty tough to remove without queering the board, and that reflashing is now a LOT harder than before. We will probably also see a hammer come down on existing mods about the time that Gears of War comes out. Of the two, making the drive a pain in the butt to mod is more likely to have long term impact.
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Spark

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« Reply #121 on: October 03, 2006, 12:47:00 PM »

QUOTE(thegreatandr @ Oct 3 2006, 06:59 PM) *

how long did the old xbox have hacked firmware in the samsung ver b drive did anyone ever get banned from that i dont think so but not sure and they never fixed it all they did was change the drives so maybe they cant fix the drives that are out now and flashed so they just put in new drives to stop it


Commodore only released that fw less than a year ago, and the 360 was already out when he did, so they probably just weren't bothered.

Most people who play backups on an xb1 do so through a hacked system kernel, which automatically gets you banned from Live and pretty much always has done.

This post has been edited by Spark: Oct 3 2006, 07:49 PM
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« Reply #122 on: October 03, 2006, 12:53:00 PM »

I'm not going to say MS cant block the firmware hacks.  But i don't think it would be worth it.  After all, they'd be losing a lot of extra money.  I bought a vision camera, a headset, online arcade games and live.  They're losing all my future online product purchases if they ban me, and online is bigger this generation.
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« Reply #123 on: October 03, 2006, 12:29:00 PM »

i wish ms could fix the over heating problem more then the drives  biggrin.gif
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« Reply #124 on: October 03, 2006, 01:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(OriginalCompGeek @ Oct 3 2006, 07:24 PM) *

I'm not going to say MS cant block the firmware hacks.  But i don't think it would be worth it.  After all, they'd be losing a lot of extra money.  I bought a vision camera, a headset, online arcade games and live.  They're losing all my future online product purchases if they ban me, and online is bigger this generation.


You think MS cares about your $50.00? It's all about the integrity of the service and that's it. MS could care less about what you buy and don't buy.
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« Reply #125 on: October 03, 2006, 01:11:00 PM »

Has MS actually banned anyone from using the firmware hack which c4e released on the original xbox?
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« Reply #126 on: October 03, 2006, 12:40:00 PM »

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 3 2006, 06:49 PM) View Post

Is the earliest known manufacturing date for one of these still 2006-08-24 ?


2006-07-04 UK
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Spark

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« Reply #127 on: October 03, 2006, 01:21:00 PM »

QUOTE(Adam19 @ Oct 3 2006, 07:42 PM) View Post

Has MS actually banned anyone from using the firmware hack which c4e released on the original xbox?


No.
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« Reply #128 on: October 03, 2006, 02:04:00 PM »

first thing a question.. i know that they have removed the ability to do a memdump, but have they also removed the ability to flash it with new firmware too ??? i expect they have otherwise as soon as theres a release it can be used so would be silly if they had'nt !
but if they HAVE, would'nt that kind of confirm that they dont intend to flash the drives at a later date via LIVE ?

also to add my view, i do believe that they CAN detect 'some' of these hacks, it may not be 100% accurate and due to this, they are just using the results that they CAN get as 'market research' so that they can asess the actual gain/loss thats happerning out in the field!? and then if this loss DOES get too great they will put more resource into it to defeat it ..

as in so the resource dont out weigh the gain etc ... all about money remember, plus now that the console can be 'modded' this is sometimes appealing to the consumer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

my thoughts anyhow !
whats yours ... Mick ....

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« Reply #129 on: October 03, 2006, 01:30:00 PM »

QUOTE(rasstar @ Oct 3 2006, 02:38 PM) View Post

You think MS cares about your $50.00? It's all about the integrity of the service and that's it. MS could care less about what you buy and don't buy.



They care about $50.00, that shit adds up 120,000x50 thats 6 mil a moth.
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OriginalCompGeek

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« Reply #130 on: October 03, 2006, 01:37:00 PM »

QUOTE(rasstar @ Oct 3 2006, 02:38 PM) View Post

You think MS cares about your $50.00? It's all about the integrity of the service and that's it. MS could care less about what you buy and don't buy.

Actually that's $100, and it's not the last of the online services/accessories I will buy.  It adds up.
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SuRgEx360

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« Reply #131 on: October 03, 2006, 03:39:00 PM »

looks like its game over for any other DVD firmware mods.

will the xbox360 ever get hacked properly ?
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Mana

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« Reply #132 on: October 03, 2006, 03:06:00 PM »

QUOTE(SuRgEx360 @ Oct 3 2006, 10:10 PM) View Post

looks like its game over for any other DVD firmware mods.

will the xbox360 ever get hacked properly ?


why is it gameover, once gary gets the firmware read (once someone gets the chip out of the black glue) he can then analyse it and make new flashing tools.
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« Reply #133 on: October 03, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »

now the price of moddable/premods will increase   sleep.gif  (at least i already got mines)
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« Reply #134 on: October 03, 2006, 03:17:00 PM »

QUOTE(SuRgEx360 @ Oct 3 2006, 02:10 PM) View Post

looks like its game over for any other DVD firmware mods.

will the xbox360 ever get hacked properly ?



Define properly.
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