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[JayQue]

QUOTE(mrjkwik @ Sep 24 2006, 11:36 PM)

just going by what i saw in that pic, a rubber o-ring may work.  or a stiff rubber washer.  just gotta find ones small enough, and split them.  just an idea.

hmm that might work.. but o-rings would slide around unless they were super tiny that fit snug over the chrome track piece.. give it a try see what you come up with

[ntloser]

Oops couldnt edit.. I can't really see where the rubber band goes. I would like to try that as well if these fans and stuff do not give the same effect as opening the xbox and having a huge house fan on it.

[Mana]

Update!

Ok as many of u would have read, i WAS having the dreaded Open Tray Problem.  My 360 has a samsung fw28 drive in it which i flashed with the xtreme 3.3 hacked firmware.

My backups are done with a pioneer 111D with vebatim dual layer +r discs, burnt in clonecd at 2.4x.

ORIGINAL games always booted, from cold of after i had been gaming for hours.

BACKUPS are different...  All of my backups will boot from cold but i found that after the xbox 360 got a bit toast after say an hour of gaming, if i tried to swap to another backup disc i would get the open tray in dash.  i would either a) have to let the xbox cool down for 2-3 minutes keep opening and closing the tray and after around 5 goes the thing would boot.

Naturally i thought it was a heat issue and so i went out and bought the nyko intercooler.

Inititally i was excited i gamed with my saints row backup for an hour and then switched to another backup and it booted.  However after heavy gaming this weekend i foudn that the open tray error was still there.  all backup discs would give the open tray error after a while.  The xbox 360 was running a lot cooler however .

Hence i started to think this isnt a heat issue.  So today i thought POT tweak.  went out and got a cheap multimeter and tried to do the pot tweak.  sadly the multimeter wasnt sensitive enough to read any resistance so it was useless.  so i put the xbox back together and was gonna wait til tomorrow to get a better multi.  Then i saw the rubber band fix.

Now when i start up a backup, i can straight away tell if its gonna give me an open tray as it makes a grinding noise a sec after insertion.  JayQue reckons this noise is cos the laser is reading too far into the middle of the disc, which does make sense.  why it doesnt do it with originals i have no idea.  also there might be a heat issue, making the laser read the wrong area of the disc when it gets warm.  who knows.

anyway his suggestion was to put a band as here:

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which i did.  initially nothing would now boot, not even originals, all i got was a terrible grinding noise.  JayQue then suggested that my band was too thick and the laser was now reading too far from teh middle.  Following his advice, i untied the rubber band and cut it in half lengthways.

My final rubber band was now about 2mm wide and about 1mm thick.  i then retied as shown in the pic, cut of excess and prayed.

Originals and backups now booted.  Strange, even adding a little distance, doesnt affect booting?

So i have just gamed for an hour on saints row, then swapped like crazy.  NO Open Tray.  Time will tell but i think i finally nailed it!...

Full credits for my happiness and open tray fix goes to JayQue.  THanks mate for helping me out on irc as well

Hope this helps u guys.  ntloser i reckon u should try the rubber band and dont try the pot tweak, this way is safer and works for me.  

I am still glad i got the intercooler as the 360 runs a lot cooler and should hopefully stop it from burning out!

[mrjkwik]

do you still get any "grinding" noise at all?

[Mana]

QUOTE(mrjkwik @ Sep 25 2006, 03:21 AM)

do you still get any "grinding" noise at all?

hmm not really, just the normal disc sounds that i got when things booted up normally.

ntloser, disconnect the dvd drive from the xbox and remove it from teh case.

then remove the 4 screws.  now u can remove the metal casing on either side of the dvd drive.  Next slide the tray open and orientate the drive so it looks like the picture above.  You can slide the laser unit down so that u can have more room to work with.  Now u should have plenty of space to tie the rubber band around the metal rod...

good luck dude.  if u need more help i am on efnet irc (Mana).

[ntloser]

Hi,

Yes I got the top off and I see the laser lens assembly and how it moves on the metal rods.. I am just to sure where the rubber band goes.. Does the rubber band attach to 2 places and pull the assembly.. or is it just tied to the rod preventing the laser assembly from moving all the way to the center post

[ichitaka]

I have the same problem with my ts25, i've changed the lens and tried all the firmwares but the problem is still there.

ANYWAY, i've found a way to play backups after hours of playing, it always work.

All you need to do is:

1. Insert a xbox360 original game.
2. Wait for the intro titles.
3. Eject the tray and extract the original disk.
4. Close the tray and wait until it says "Open tray".
5. Open the tray again and insert your backup.
6. Play.

Is a known trick between the spanish community, it works 100%. Some pepole do it a little different, they go back to the dashboard by pressing the guide button and Y before extract the original disk, between the steps 2 and 3.
I think that as someone have suggested the problem must be the placing of the laser and somehow related to heat.

Anyway, i'm still waiting for a permanent fix.


Mana: i dont know what rubber band are you talking about, could you edit your photo and indicate it with an arrow please?

Bye!

[SOA]

so whay does this not happed with orignals and only backups ...
dosent make any sence......

[JayQue]

thats not mana's picture its mine.. as i found the fix.. and its a perm fix as long as the rubber band stays in.. i dont see why anybody would want to go through the trouble of inserting an original every time just to play a backup..

anyways.. here is a picture for you blind bats with it circled and the "arrow" to show where its located

[ichitaka]

Hehe, thanks for the pic and the video, i'll check my drive soon  

[ntloser]

Thanks I got it. I got the elastic in there and it is playing back ups and originals.  I guess thats it?

[ichitaka]

Hmm, have you used this rubber band mod for some time to be sure that it won't take off easily?
You just attach it there without any glue?

Thanks, cya

[Exobex]

An alternative to the rubber band: I used 3mm of PVC earth sleeving.  Undid the bar at the "other" end, slid it back, put the sleeve on, slid the bar back into place and re-affixed it.
Note: undo the small Philips screw, not the big plastic nut thing on the top side as this is preset to a certain position.  When refitting, put the black bit back in the right way round (it'll drop into place at the right position, anywhere else it'll look bent or just wrong).  If the bar now has about 2mm of play at the end you undid, you haven't lined the black bit up properly so unscrew it and try again.

[MiahX007]

Just want to chime in that my friend kept getting Dirty Disk Errors on his Hitachi even after adjusting the laser. This was especially noticeable on GoW, wouldn't make it five minutes into the game.

As soon as he disassembled the case and played with the DVD drive out , no DRE's for hours of play.

CONFIRMED: Heat is the cause of many dirty disk errors.

[TGD]

I just like to give my input as well, I have a Sammy in my 360, i had a bunch of backups that worked fine up until recent weeks, i started getting OPEN TRAY messages off and on... especially have i had been playing for a long period of time. I moved my 360 near my window where i get a little cold draft from the window... that seemed to totally get rid of my OPEN TRAY error.

Before i had moved my 360, it was sitting next to my pc which my pc is connected to my hdtv... so this sorta convinces me that the heat coming off my pc next to my 360 was adding extra heat into my 360 causing my dvd drive to give me OPEN TRAY message after my 360 had been on for a period of time.

Its definately a heating issue.. no doubt about it.