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[Manto]

[Likklebaer]

I can't say too much on this subject but it's my opinion that a Neo-Geo emulator should emulate the Neo-Geo and any morality involved about what you should and should not play on it should be down to personal conscience rather than imposed by the authors just because the MAME team says so.

Personally I couldn't care less about some game company's already over-inflated profits. Let people who don't know any better continue to line their bulging pockets. It's a pirettes life for me.  

[sings] "A pirette I was meant to be, trim the sails... etc. etc." [/sings]

[Manto]

QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Aug 10 2004, 08:35 AM)

But this thread should be locked. That way Gogo can continue his excellent work on FBA-XXX unharassed, and lantus won't have anywhere to bitch about 'n00 r0mZ'.

Can't you read? The newer roms won't be added anymore in FBAxxx neither in the binary, neither in the sources.

[Edit:] And Lantus was the first one to make an xbox port of FBA. Without is work, FBAxxx wouldn't exist, so stop bitching around about things you don't know...

[Likklebaer]

Manto, you just proved my first point. If this thread had been locked in the beginning like it should have been then this discussion would never have taken place and there would have been no increased pressure on you to remove any of FBA-XXX's drivers. Seems mods are never around when you need them *sigh*

lantus, since you dropped the FBA-X project you seem disgusted you at people 'misusing' your work to play so-called banned roms. However justified that may be I must ask, what did you think would happen?!
We're talking about a community that uses illegally modified consoles to play illegally downloaded games on emulators compiled with an illegal XDK. The moral fibre of this scene by its very definition is clearly less than exemplary. So did you really expect these people with clearly limited respect for the law to respect a little disclaimer telling them what they can and cannot do with the emulator?

Right or wrong, it was bound to happen and I'm sure you knew that all too well before the Neo-Geo supporting version of FBA-X was ever released.

[devlkore]

QUOTE (lantus @ Aug 10 2004, 07:20 AM)

the same way i think GPL is a steaming pile of shit but i still adhere to it?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, Lantus.
Are you literally saying that you don't agree with the GPL, but you have to adhere to it because it's part of one/some of you port's original source code license, or are you just saying that what I said was crap?

In my previous post I was saying that I don't outright think people should break the license of FBA, but since I don't agree with what the license said I'm kind of glad that it did happen (notice: "kind of", I'm not happy that FBA Team are pissed off, but I am happy to be able to play as many games as possible).

Also, good point yadster.

[devlkore]

QUOTE (Thraxen @ Aug 10 2004, 01:45 PM)

No, you are exactly correct... and it all goes back to my original point.  Ignoring the emulator's developers wishes is like stealing money from a bank robber.   Yet some people still get all indignant about the issue.   I just wish these people would own up to the fact that emulators are a very grey area to begin with.

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that emulation in general is a grey area, the thing is we're all stepping on someone's toes, whether it's M$'es, Capcom's or Nintendo's, etc, the "problem" here is some people don't mind stepping on a few more, ie FBA Team, which is why this conversation will never end.

All anyone can really do is do what they feel is right; If you honestly don't think it's bad to go against the wishes of FBA Team, then go ahead and do it, if you do think it's bad, then don't. I personally, would question how and why you draw the line between FBA Team and SNK/Capcom/Sega/Nintendo/M$/etc?

[devlkore]

QUOTE (farsight @ Aug 10 2004, 03:03 PM)

At the end of the day there are lines draw out in emulation for a reason, some legal (copy rights etc) others purely out of respect for manufactures and coders. His topic has crossed it and is now dancing all over it. It?s blocked for a reason. There are a lot of big bad wolves in the gaming world, but SNK Playmore is far from one of them. Now show a little respect and close this topic..

But as I pointed out, I don't think most people have access to the games which aren't allowed in FBA, also, someone else pointed out that Metal Slug 3 IS allowed, but it's available on Xbox, where's the logic in that?

As for closing the topic, I don't think it's doing any harm, I thought we were having a discussion here.

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (devlkore @ Aug 10 2004, 04:22 PM)

But as I pointed out, I don't think most people have access to the games which aren't allowed in FBA, also, someone else pointed out that Metal Slug 3 IS allowed, but it's available on Xbox, where's the logic in that? As for closing the topic, I don't think it's doing any harm, I thought we were having a discussion here.

It is totally true, you/he got 1 point .
As for xdk, modchip/exploit, I think you re right too, do the users of emulator care about the law, after all I didn t see a law against emulators, when there will be a law stipulating emulation is legal but not for games that are less than 3 years, we will not be able to complain, but it is not the case (and I seriously dont think it will be ).
As for the drivers in fbaxxx, I am speaking of it with manto, and as I have not received a mail/pm from fba team on my forum, I will continue to add it, and I do not agree with the facts it will be removed from the sources.

I do not like emulation "elite" but if I must remove new drivers, I ll do it, because I am as many of you, always waiting for FBA/mame update and I do not want them to stop working for this little problem.

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (farsight @ Aug 10 2004, 05:01 PM)

Gogo I'm not getting at you but as i've said before FBA team put a block on certain games for a reason. I don't want to see great emu's become closed source. Yes metal slug 3 is over 3 years old now leave it unblocked but svcplus is not, so just let people unblock it themselves. Im not to bothered if those blocks are deactivated or not but that should be there choice. I don't however think discussing it on X-S forum is the palace to do it. But keep up the good work anyway

I think the difference between you and me is that you think for yourself (yes you can add drivers, so let them do this by themselves), and I think for everyone (that s why I started FBAXXX even without great notions in C++)

[yadster]

[farsight]

Its not a case of being able to just download the rom and away you go. The game is still copyrighted to SNK and you are only legally entitled to play it if you own the original game. Its the same with most copyrighted roms.

The 3 year rule is in place partly out of respect to SNK and partly not to piss them off to much.

Gogo, there where patches created for FBA-X and Kawa-X to unblock those games, they where easy enough to use. Why not just let people patch the xbe its easy enough to do, that way you stay nice and clean & FBA team can't blame you the coder.

[Mephiska]

the point of this thread isnt the legality of the whole situation. its respecting the wishes of the fba team. you use their code. why does everyone think is so bad to respect their wishes? at least if you change the code to something that they do not approve of, keep it to yourself. no need for distro.

all of the talk about no local arcades, sales, and the need to play the newest games is pointless.

is it that bad to wait a few years for an arcade game? do you have to play that game that much?

this isnt directed at any one person, in fact a salute gogo for cleaning up fbaxxx some and making it an overall better emu.

this whole thread is 6 pages of ppl saying the same thing.

[Jan_Klaassen]

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As for the drivers in fbaxxx, I am speaking of it with manto, and as I have not received a mail/pm from fba team on my forum, I will continue to add it, and I do not agree with the facts it will be removed from the sources.

What the hell is that about? You've been asked twice right here in this thread, by Lantus and by me, so what is this nonsense? FBA's license is very clear on the subject, and I've had quite enough of this.

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I can't say too much on this subject but it's my opinion that a Neo-Geo emulator should emulate the Neo-Geo and any morality involved about what you should and should not play on it should be down to personal conscience rather than imposed by the authors just because the MAME team says so.

Where did you get the insane idea that the MAME team decides what I can't and cannot emulate? The reason most emulators follow MAME's rules is that most emulator authors agree with them. We don't wish to be the ones that enable you to play your 0-day warez, get it yet?

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Personally I couldn't care less about some game company's already over-inflated profits.

Oh, please, this is just pathetic. You are aware Sega suffered a hostile takeover, and SNK has been barely hanging on for years, right? You are aware Capcom has ceased development of arcade games, right? You are aware that most companies specialising in arcade games went bankrupt long ago, right?

There has however been at least one consequence of all you twits insisting you have some moral right to misuse our emulators by adding the latest games to them: a lot of people now won't write any drivers for systems on which games are still released. Congratulations on that achievement.

In point of fact, when I wrote FBA's Neo Geo driver, the system was considered dead. My only mistake was letting you have it when they released new games for the system anyway. Don't worry, won't happen again.

[Mephiska]

QUOTE (Manabyte @ Aug 10 2004, 01:58 PM)

Let me ask you this Mephiska:  Did the FBA team respect the license and wishes of the original developers by creating the emu?

licenses go back to the whole legality discussion.

last i checked its not against any license to create an emulator.
*unless its a gameboy emu for a handheld/portable device.*

as for wishes, who knows what the original developers wanted. they work for a corporation, they have no wishes. their wishes are owned by whoever they work for.

next.

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (Jan_Klaassen @ Aug 10 2004, 06:20 PM)

What the hell is that about? You've been asked twice right here in this thread, by Lantus and by me, so what is this nonsense? FBA's license is very clear on the subject, and I've had quite enough of this.

simply because -> inscription 09/08 2 messages, anyone could be registered with your nickname.
Now, ok, Manto will delete these drivers, as for myself, I will probably not be working on this project, too musch hypocrisis (I totally agree metal slug3 is worse than SS5 support), and afterall, manto do a great work (and I am occupied with u64-xxx).

EDIT : update is now done, I am now in right with the license, when is it your turn Lantus?    (even if fbaxbeta4.1 sources are not needed anymore, I say it just for fact)