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[feflicker]

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Where the hell did you get that idea? You can't do anything with the source that goes against the license under which it is released. FBA's license includes a few restrictions, and so do most open-source licences. You can't, for instance, remove license information even under the most free licenses (e.g. BSD-style licenses).

Jan_Klaassen, I understand your point of view. I think, in general, people are just frustrated with your reasoning for the restrictions. I know it is YOUR decision to decide how YOUR source is used, but I just believe that rules are meant to be broken... (I am a bit of a sociopath, as I think a lot of users of this board are...)

I just think you should be able to sleep at night, knowing that YOUR release of YOUR emulator does what you want it to do.  

I think some of us just don't understand you pursuing GoGo on this (his builds of FBA has generated tremendous interest on the scene. I personally had never heard of FBA until FBA-XXX, and all this discussion got me to install it and see how great it is! And to clarify, I don't have the banned ROM's working, I just don't have the desire to play those few "extra" games. I like having that decision left to me, though!)...

To quote one of my heroes (loosely):

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"What is with all these F'ing Rules. Rules... Shit. This is a Rock and Roll band, I don't want rules..." -Lars Ulrich from "Some Kind Of Monster"

Now let's see how long it takes this thread to turn into an anti-Lars flame-fest! (Bastards, read the transcripts of what he actually said about Napster instead of the news blurbs. And read what he has said about the issue SINCE then!)

[Vejita]

People who implement and take part of "emulation ethics/politics" should be shot.

If you want to adhere to the LAW, you shouldn't be using roms and emulators in the first place.

That is also Nintendo's stance on emulation yet none of you care and continue to make emulators for the N64 (Surreal).

Let me tell you this, are Nintendo happy about N64 emu's even if the system is now dead and redundant?

Do none of you understand the copyright laws?

Its just as bad playing a year 2000 rom as it is playing a year 2003/2004 rom.

To all the people taking part in emulation ethics, GET A LIFE!

[VampX]

QUOTE (feflicker @ Aug 11 2004, 03:04 AM)

Now let's see how long it takes this thread to turn into an anti-Lars flame-fest!

Fire Bad!!

[Manabyte]

I couldnt agree more Vejita.

[devlkore]

This thread seems like it can only get worse, but I'll chip in anyway to the defense of the emu devs.

Now, I may not agree with limiting which ROMs people can play, but you have to remember that the gaming and especially arcade side of the industry actually blames emu devs for why they aren't getting as much money as they want, even though in reality it's because of the advances in console technology, SNK using over a decade old hardware, bootleggers, arcade owners that think it's ok to replace every fighting game with slot machines, etc

The thing is, it doesn't remove any of the pressure that is on the devs for "ruining" the gaming industry.

We all know that we can play Metal Slug 3 and it's "officially" supported, yet Rage Of The Dragons isn't, even though I bet hardly any of us have seen a Rage Of The Dragons machine ever, but when SVC Chaos comes out on Xbox (I think it's due to at some point) and it sells like crap, SNK Playmore are gonna be all over people like FBA Team and it'd be worse if they supported emulating it (SVC), even though the truth is, SVC Chaos just isn't that good and most of us would probably rather play games that have been around for ages (Street Fighter Alpha 2/3, KOF98/98, Samurai Showdown 4, etc).

It may sound like I'm switching sides, but I'm not, I think we should all be able to play whatever, no matter how recent it is, especially since we do the same with GBA and PSX, but at the end of the day, I don't have to live with almost direct accusations from SNKP saying that because of something I did, they've lost $50,000 or whatever.

Just something to think about.

BYEEEEE!!

PS: Someday, maybe we'll all live in a completely free society where information is shared freely without restriction (that's not a dig at FBA Team, honestly) and in my opinion, the world will be a better place then. Until then, enjoy what you have got for free.

[Likklebaer]

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If you're using my emulator, because I say so. It's that simple

Sorry I disagree. If I take the FBA source, alter it to my liking by adding drivers or whatever then recompile it, the resulting product doesn't belong to you any more than my Xbox belongs to Micro$oft. While I may acknowledge that you deserve the credit for its creation, once it's made publicly available and I purchase/download one for myself I'll feel justified in doing whatever I damn well like with it. That's what happens when you release something publicly.

And so I put to you the same question I put to lantus. Did you really think that the emu scene into which you released this Neo-Geo emulator, a scene based on illegal rom downloads and the violation of copyright laws, would respect your wishes on such ridiculous grounds just because 'you say so'? It may not be right, but you can't say that you didn't see it coming?

[Prican24]

i've said it once and i'll say it again: its over!

manto which does the fba-xxx builds already said the banned roms are gone as of the next build.

now if a mod of this forum would plz close this thread as theres no other point to address, whats done is done. get over it ppl

[deathx88]

QUOTE (VampX @ Aug 11 2004, 01:22 AM)

Fire Bad!!

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! *cries*  

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Now let's see how long it takes this thread to turn into an anti-Lars flame-fest! (Bastards, read the transcripts of what he actually said about Napster instead of the news blurbs. And read what he has said about the issue SINCE then!)

no, lars good  
lars is awesome  

yeah he did the napster thing, but if he didn't do it someone else would of

[Manto]

QUOTE (devlkore @ Aug 11 2004, 12:34 AM)

... SVC Chaos just isn't that good and most of us would probably rather play games that have been around for ages (Street Fighter Alpha 2/3, KOF98/98, Samurai Showdown 4, etc). ...

SVC Chaos simply SUX. This "game" sux like ALL the SNK-Playmore games... and like any neogeo games after since kof 2000 (included).
Their true name should be Paymore or Playless...

[VampX]

QUOTE (Manto @ Aug 11 2004, 04:22 AM)

SVC Chaos simply SUX. This "game" sux like ALL the SNK-Playmore games... and like any neogeo games after since kof 2000 (included).

Are you saying that Kof2000 sucks cause its made by playmore?

cause it isnt, kof2000 was the last kof made by SNK.


It still sucks though..



98-4-life!!

[devlkore]

QUOTE (VampX @ Aug 11 2004, 01:50 AM)

Are you saying that Kof2000 sucks cause its made by playmore? cause it isnt, kof2000 was the last kof made by SNK. It still sucks though.. 98-4-life!!

I didn't think 2000 was that bad, I even play 2001 from time to time, but 98 is definately my favourite, followed by 99. Also, Rage Of The Dragons and Power Instinct 5 are ok, not for hardcore play, but occasionally it makes a nice change from the usual list of SNK and Capcom fighters.

I've just been playing NAM 1975, that game never gets boring, so I'd just like to show appreciation for it, to all the people that enable me to play these games on my Xbox, so   Jan, Lantus, TMaul, Dave, GoGoAckman, Manto and anyone else I forgot.

[sp1200]

QUOTE (Jan_Klaassen @ Aug 11 2004, 12:42 AM)

It's easy: old arcade games no longer generate revenue, so having those playable doesn't hurt the developers.

That isn't true: who is to say these "non revenue generating" games will not appear in a compilation of games on an xbox disc, or appear again as new games similar as to the classic nes games now available on gameboy advance?

[Mephiska]

this is why projects are closed-source

close the source.
release to who you feel is worthy.
end of problem.


btw to those who made a statement about emulators being illegal.
here is the only case where reverse engineering a emulator would be illegal. *only if you developed it for a portable/handheld hardware.*

a mod needs to do this...

[VampX]

[lantus]

QUOTE (rekcah2000a @ Aug 10 2004, 10:10 PM)

Lantus a attrapper la grosse depuis un petit bout de temps c est dommage qu il faut a chauqe fois qu ils cassent les gens. Gogo et Manto font du tres bon boulot il termine le boulot de Lantus ( il sort un emu et arrete de develloper apres deux versions.) Maintenant en enlevent les drivers pour les nouveau dump vous aller tuer votre site et le plaisir qu on des milliers de personne a utiliser fba-xxx. Soit tout le monde va reste a la version 02/08 ou d ici une semaine il y aura un fba-xxx2 cree par un singe puisque d apres Lantus meme un singe pourrais ajouter quelque chose a fba-x. En tout cas j ai pris les devant et je continuerais a compiler la version avec les nouveau dump et je continuerais a la foutre partout juste pour faire chier le monsieur qui se prends la tete parcequ il devellope trop d'emu xbox PS : PLZ Lantus drop Fba-x on abandonware other people have time to continue the devellopement you not

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