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[Prican24]

GogoAckman, did i put the gun to your head for you to add the drivers or to allow a switch to activate banned games? No

i really have no more to say about this topic and you embarassed yourself with your post quoting fba's rule which jan pointed out clearly.

i have no problem with your work as i have said before as you have turned a buggy source to something we all can enjoy and ditch kawa-x.

at this point its up to you and the fba team to discuss about fba-xxx and hope for the best.

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (Prican24 @ Aug 9 2004, 07:20 PM)

GogoAckman, did i put the gun to your head for you to add the drivers or to allow a switch to activate banned games? No i really have no more to say about this topic and you embarassed yourself with your post quoting fba's rule which jan pointed out clearly. i have no problem with your work as i have said before as you have turned a buggy source to something we all can enjoy and ditch kawa-x. at this point its up to you and the fba team to discuss about fba-xxx and hope for the best.

You didn t had to break the rules of this forum, am I worng?
Now, as I said, I have no problem to remove post 2001 neogeo games, after all, I have the source and can compile it easily (that s your case too I know), but don t think I am going to break this forum rules because people love fbaxxx (and that you didn t like in the beginning if I remember).

[Diontae18]

If Lantus and GoGo know each other offline, Why doesn't Lantus Give Gogo his source code for the Xsnes9x emulator So that he can implement a code-generator with a cheat description option. I know this isn't the topiv to post this Question but it seems this is a really hot topic right now and By the way, I created this thread so I should have the right to post my suggestion in here. Also, I hope Lantus and Gogo can see eye to eye on this subject as to allow games after 2001 to be runned on the FBA-XXX Emulator. Lantus, why are you trying to downgrade the xbox's FBA-XXX emulator? if Gogo puts it in the ini file whether or not to let the newer set of roms to be played, Why are you trying to take it away?

[GogoAckman]

2) I dont think Lantuse, nore FBA team are for these rules but they must respect finaluburn/mame license, in fact, I suppose the authors of mame have all the rights in this little emulation world, in fact since kof99, all became a little confusing, saying that playing new games is not legal, but it is, as it is illegal to play roms you don t possess (I will not say I possess a neogeo game, but that s another story).

So, I am not sad about Lantus or FBA team reaction, it is normal, I think they re ok to support those roms "unofficially", just don t think you can say/support/ask for support it anywhere .

Now, as I said, if FBA team asks me to cease the support of roms after 2001, I ll do it (I know there will always be someone to add new drivers BTW), after all, FBAXXX is now good enough to be a great emu, even without post 2001 roms support .

[Silentjay420]

QUOTE (Manabyte @ Aug 9 2004, 08:18 PM)

This respect for the FBA license is rediculous.

I'm curious, why is respect for something that isn't yours ridiculous? If it's in the license, it's in the damn license.. simple as that..

[Prican24]

QUOTE (GogoAckman @ Aug 9 2004, 02:46 PM)

You didn t had to break the rules of this forum, am I worng? Now, as I said, I have no problem to remove post 2001 neogeo games, after all, I have the source and can compile it easily (that s your case too I know), but don t think I am going to break this forum rules because people love fbaxxx (and that you didn t like in the beginning if I remember).

what rule did i break? as i said they support your work and i'll be damned if the owner of the forum not to notice the banned games being added in your project. if they support it , they support it for its full limits hidden or not.


if you really didn't have a problem removing the 2002+ games and follow mame/fba's rule, then why not just do it? as lantus pointed out, any monkey can add the drivers so its not a big issue as your are making it into.



i'll admit that the first 3 or 4 versions of it (this is way before x-s supported him)i didin't like but like i said before you have changed a buggy source to something we all can enjoy and replaced kawa-x which is no longer supported since being a dead project.

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (Prican24 @ Aug 9 2004, 09:16 PM)

what rule did i break? as i said they support your work and i'll be damned if the owner of the forum not to notice the banned games being added in your project. if they support it , they support it for its full limits hidden or not. if you really didn't have a problem removing the 2002+ games and follow mame/fba's rule, then why not just do it? as lantus pointed out, any monkey can add the drivers so its not a big issue as your are making it into. i'll admit that the first 3 or 4 versions of it (this is way before x-s supported him)i didin't like but like i said before you have changed a buggy source to something we all can enjoy and replaced kawa-x which is no longer supported since being a dead project.

Well I remember a post saying new roms are not supported here, effectively I don t find it anymore   .

For the new roms support, you re right, if it isn t me , someone else will do it, but I just do not want to stop developping it for a little story about 2002+ roms.

[gamemaster14]

I wouldnt doubt that most of the people on the fourm who support the 3 or 4 year rule either have a good arcade by them or have enough money to buy the arcade machines or boards. Alot of us dont have any decent arcades anymore thus in order to play the new games we must resort to emulation because it is the only way to play them. I am sure if there were more good arcades in the usa and other places this wouldnt be an issue but the simple fact is that the arcade on a whole is on a decline. I know a ton of you will say it is because of emulation but it isnt. These days most gamers would rather play their games in the confort of thir own homes which totally kills the money brought in by arcades so less are open. If anything can be blamed for the decline of arcades it could be console games. If we didnt have new and hot games right at our fingertips we would want to go to the noisy arcade and punp quarters in the latest game. Of course that isnt the case so many of us have gone to emulation to please our new arcade game craving. Are we wrong for doing this? That is for you to decide. I respect the people who make the emulators but the fact is as I said people who have arcades or alot of money dont mind the restrictions people who dont have either are left out. It is hard to play new games when they simply dont exist.

[Prican24]

btw, that post you were refering to was to kawa-x but was taken down since its a dead project

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (gamemaster14 @ Aug 9 2004, 09:27 PM)

I wouldnt doubt that most of the people on the fourm who support the 3 or 4 year rule either have a good arcade by them or have enough money to buy the arcade machines or boards. Alot of us dont have any decent arcades anymore thus in order to play the new games we must resort to emulation because it is the only way to play them. I am sure if there were more good arcades in the usa and other places this wouldnt be an issue but the simple fact is that the arcade on a whole is on a decline. I know a ton of you will say it is because of emulation but it isnt. These days most gamers would rather play their games in the confort of thir own homes which totally kills the money brought in by arcades so less are open. If anything can be blamed for the decline of arcades it could be console games. If we didnt have new and hot games right at our fingertips we would want to go to the noisy arcade and punp quarters in the latest game. Of course that isnt the case so many of us have gone to emulation to please our new arcade game craving. Are we wrong for doing this? That is for you to decide. I respect the people who make the emulators but the fact is as I said people who have arcades or alot of money dont mind the restrictions people who dont have either are left out. It is hard to play new games when they simply dont exist.

I totally agree with you, but in some case, the new games go out on console, and they maybe don t have as good sells as they could because of emulation. This is vicious, because in this case the editor doesn t want to continue arcade games .

[GogoAckman]

QUOTE (Prican24 @ Aug 9 2004, 09:34 PM)

best thing i can suggest is just remove the ini option and make a clean version like you used to. thoses that want a special version would know where to go just like a few months ago btw, that post you were refering to was to kawa-x but was taken down since its a dead project

I think if I have to remove 2002+ games, I will not include an "unofficial version" on the forum, but the drivers will be in the sources (after all, the license denies it only for the binary), and then maybe some one (maybe you   ) will do an unofficial version   .

[Prican24]

QUOTE (GogoAckman @ Aug 9 2004, 04:47 PM)

I think if I have to remove 2002+ games, I will not include an "unofficial version" on the forum, but the drivers will be in the sources (after all, the license denies it only for the binary), and then maybe some one (maybe you   ) will do an unofficial version   .

sounds good, i haven't compiled fba in a while but you never know

[feflicker]

Seriously though, I can't believe how serious people are taking the 3+ years rule that MameDev implemented. I can't believe people care that much about the issue... If it isn't GoGo, someone else is going to do it anyway!

It is nice to see people debating the points though, and not launching a bunch or personal attacks  

[devlkore]

The town I live in is a seaside resort (Margate, England if any of you know it?) and there are loads of arcades here, as with all seaside resort places, and none of them have any fighting games (seriously), or Metal Slugs or even shooting games like DoDonPachi, etc, so the "banned" games in FBAxxx weren't for me to think "1 4m t3h 1337z0rs!!!1!!", they just let me play more games which I would otherwise miss out on.

As for licences, ie SNK's licences AND FBA team's licence, well, that's a hard one, but since the drivers are so easy to add, it will only take a well written tutorial for everyone to have access to the same games again, it will be even easier if the drivers are left in the source, but still very easy if they are not.

[Prican24]