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[Vampirtc]

A bit offtopic question to The Specialist:

I'm a bit surprised that there still isn't a public hack from someone else. Is it really that hard? How long did it take the group you worked with to make it? Is it a big step from what is made public on XBH forums?

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(Vampirtc @ Apr 13 2006, 01:34 AM)

A bit offtopic question to The Specialist:

I'm a bit surprised that there still isn't a public hack from someone else. Is it really that hard? How long did it take the group you worked with to make it? Is it a big step from what is made public on XBH forums?

With all info on XBH, it's easy to do it. An experienced hacker could do it in 2 weeks (he SHOULD be able to do it in 1 week, hehe). I think there are 2 reasons that nothing has been released:

1. There's NO money to be made and
2. Releasing it will put you and your release group on place #1 of MS 'most wanted' list and surely a nice position on FBI lists too. I think that's a big price to pay for a bit of 'fame'...

And then again... The scene is not about 'fame' anymore. It is a about (big) money. Release groups like Hoodlum and Myth made millions of dollars, everybody knows that ... So I doubt there's much incentive for groups like that to release anything (well, Hoodlum went kinda dead anyway of course, since they got busted)

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(gotheb1ues @ Apr 13 2006, 03:09 AM)

The group that does release the hack will get all the credit.  there is no working hack for the 360 yet so the first person or group to release it will be getting all the praise..

Well, if you think that the big release groups are doing it for the 'praise', then think again. That's what I'm saying: the scene is not about 'getting praise' anymore, it is about making BIG money. That's the only reason these guys are willing to risk being sent to prison for ten years.... And releasing the hack isn't going to be a 'big thing' in terms of money, but it IS in terms of risk ...

[CattyKid]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Apr 12 2006, 05:26 PM)

Here I totally agree. Laws like DMCA are plain SICK. Only reason they exist is because:

A ) Politicians don't understand them and their implications and
B ) Big corporations want them because
C ) They don't know how to write protections

Yup, I can't disagree there.  Because of the DMCA, I can't legally backup DVDs or Xbox games that I OWN because I'm breaking copy protection?
Please...

Also, TS, I have to add that I, as well, respect you VERY much.  It's nice to see someone who's not in it for the fame but yet has contributed so much to the Cause (notice the case of the C) along with his team yet has not tried to make cent one off of it, or even disclose any information besides his country.

PS:
What exactly are Hoodlum and Myth?  Were they pirating groups?  And if so, how did they make so much money?

[CattyKid]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Apr 12 2006, 07:34 PM)

They were 2 of the biggest release groups, that got busted in 'operation site down'. Release groups like this sell mostly accounts to their 'private networks'. Read more about it: http://en.wikipedia....ation_Site_Down

Thanks very much for the info.
Interesting stuff, I might watch this miniseries, The Scene, it sounds very interesting.

[Keshire]

Use a spoof IP to upload it to IRC and USENET. Watch as it spreads like a virus.

[Woore]

Its not worth it. getting locked up for 10 years just to get MicroShit pissed off. I just wish i could hack the FW on my 360 and go show it 2 bill gates and tell him. here's your piece of shit machine give my money back

[Vampirtc]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Apr 13 2006, 01:38 AM)

With all info on XBH, it's easy to do it. An experienced hacker could do it in 2 weeks (he SHOULD be able to do it in 1 week, hehe). I think there are 2 reasons that nothing has been released:

1. There's NO money to be made and
2. Releasing it will put you and your release group on place #1 of MS 'most wanted' list and surely a nice position on FBI lists too. I think that's a big price to pay for a bit of 'fame'...

And then again... The scene is not about 'fame' anymore. It is a about (big) money. Release groups like Hoodlum and Myth made millions of dollars, everybody knows that ... So I doubt there's much incentive for groups like that to release anything (well, Hoodlum went kinda dead anyway of course, since they got busted)

On the other hand we have countries like Russia and China whose pirates (sometimes controlled by mafia) could easily support a few hackers, but I guess XBOX360 is still too expensive for their market.
Since the previous raids the scene clearly lacks crackers and hackers. Still we have the whole world watching and yet there is no one willing to make an anonymous release? If its all about the money, then I guess we will have to wait for fancy connectors which will be sold alongside downloadable firmware.

[O_oTheGameo_O]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Apr 12 2006, 05:27 PM)

Of course not, because you didn't contribute ANYTHING at all and were playing games while people like MacDennis and me were researching the 360 security and doing lots of scene contributions with the documentation of our findings. The complete DVD authentication process is now documented on XBH because of people like us. I even released the complete sourcecode to my unlocker tool, which shows in great detail how xbox DVD security works. I haven't made a SINGLE dollar with my work and am certainly not planning to do so.

And still, ppl like you are complaining, without having done ANY work themselves but complaining and bitching ..

I think that's really sad...

Well not all people go on forums to talk about what they done... some people just release it...

and who said that I talked about you... your a nice guy... but I didnt think you have a that big ego....  

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Apr 13 2006, 02:13 PM)

Well not all people go on forums to talk about what they done... some people just release it...

Either you are too stupid to understand what I said or you don't WANT to understand ... And don't forget that your 'heroes' that DO release pirated games, either are making millions of dollars with their business or are in jail. I'm not interested in either of these We only did it because we love hacking.

QUOTE(JethroTul @ Apr 13 2006, 08:47 AM)

Its easy to say give the firmware out to the public but on the other hand who will get caught ? who will get the maximum penalty ?

I have had huge satellite forums in the past. I only hosted but at the end when something public came out thru one of my forums I got busted by Nagra France. Only my family knows what I had passed, sleeping for 40 hours in a bloody cell and nowadays risking my job since am still in the process to begin court. It is a total ignorance for people asking for something and put others in shit. As TS said if you are so brave enough you can do it yourself and enjoy the risk but please dont put the risk on others just for the sake of playing a backed up game.

Indeed, VERY well said.

[Chancer]

We seem to have been down this road before. Nobody is obliged to release anything they worked out for themselves.
I think its a shame when the world we live in breeds people who expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
A lot of people seem to have appeared on the scene thinking it is their right to have this released to them, regardless of the problems it brings on others.
Well those are the selfish people NOT TheSpecialist or others involved in this.
Sometimes people do stuff (hack stuff) just for the self satsifaction of being able to  achieve it. People should understand that and stop trying to bring pressure to bear on these people to release something that is best not released into the wild.

[BlueCop]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 13 2006, 01:46 PM)

We seem to have been down this road before. Nobody is obliged to release anything they worked out for themselves.
I think its a shame when the world we live in breeds people who expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
A lot of people seem to have appeared on the scene thinking it is their right to have this released to them, regardless of the problems it brings on others.
Well those are the selfish people NOT TheSpecialist or others involved in this.
Sometimes people do stuff (hack stuff) just for the self satsifaction of being able to  achieve it. People should understand that and stop trying to bring pressure to bear on these people to release something that is best not released into the wild.

Ok i agree with most of what you said but I have issue with a couple things your said.

It is the matter of selfishness. Selfish isn't a bad word. we all have to be look out for ourselves before others or else no one would look out for you. This is a perfect example of selfishness but understand i don't mean this in a bad way. They need to be concerned with themselves before some pirate hungry kid but i do agree that thos demanding the release are also selfish. I just wanted to say that because its not like the hackers aren't being selfless here. you act like "self satsifaction" isn't a selfish pursuit.
"selfish:Concerned chiefly or only with oneself"
I felt a need to respond to this because i said this "They were mainly interested in their own pursuits and not the interests of the scene as a whole."(i was refering to xbox1 bios hackers)  which was i felt an accurate representation of what was happening at the time early in the xbox scene.

Now i really take issue with "something that is best not released into the wild."

where do you get that idea. It is likely that this hack will be the basis of attacks on the core security of the 360 and it would be best if something like this were publicly available. I am not trying to pressure its release. I am trying to show you my point of view.

now something we agree on. fuck those bastards who think they are entitled to the hack because they were given everything their whole lives and now think it shouldn't be any different. I am not the smartest/cleverest guy in the world but i do attempt to understand all that i think i am capable of knowing about the box.

Woore: you want your money back for a box you can hack? I would pay more for something that is hackable personally. It gives me more options. this doesn't make sense

JethroTul: i assume you are talking about the nagravision 2 hack that was released. I have tested this hack out on Dish Network sats and Canadian Echostar sats. I am sorry you are having legal troubles but you hosted a hack on a (i assume) public site. If you didn't think you were going to have legal troubles then you're not too bright. Thank you for the hack if your site was the orginal source of the nagra 2 hack but you have to be smarter then this if you're going to distribute such files.


I am working on my own version of the hack. I now have a hitachi and samsung drive(keyed for my box) and i am wanting to get it working on both of them. For me to play backups? no. Now i might not be able to do it in the 1-2 weeks TS says a good hacker would take because of several factors. my addiction to wasting time being the primary one.

[HELLTICK]

I dont know for sure, but I think you can use a cheap lpc programmer. I have one of these from the old 'cheap mod' days and still have a couple 49lf020 with sockets to play with.



I plan to dump my FW, program my sst 49lf020, disable and piggy back the 39sf020a to see if it works.
If anyone thinks I'm wasting my time please speak up.

Link to cheap lpc.

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(HELLTICK @ Apr 15 2006, 09:06 PM)

If anyone thinks I'm wasting my time please speak up.

Depends, if you have a hitachi, you can dump and program the FW via software, no need for hardware (that is, if you don't mess up ) Anyway, make sure you've dumped the drive's key and store it in a safe place, als long as you have this, you can always use hardware to reprogram if something goes wrong. If you however lose your drive's key, then you have quite a problem

[HELLTICK]

Thanks, I have a sammy and I'd rather use my own socketed chip so I can recover easily.
I know I cant do anything with my sammy drive as far as FW hacks..However I would like to be prepared for one.