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[deadparrot]

QUOTE(MacDennis @ Apr 12 2006, 10:04 AM)

Software flashing is and will be risky business. There's no such thing as a 'save' flasher. Yes the drives have a recovery mode but even the recovery mode can be corrupted. The software flasher on kev.nu works on 8163B / 8050L / 8164B / 3120L (046/047) drives. How do I know? I tested the flasher. But anyone who does not know what he is doing WILL end up with a broken drive.

Sorry to go off topic, but are you saying that a working 8050L firmware is available for the 8164B now?

[MacDennis]

QUOTE(deadparrot @ Apr 12 2006, 02:24 PM)

Sorry to go off topic, but are you saying that a working 8050L firmware is available for the 8164B now?

No. I only mentioned that I tested the (sector) software flasher on those drives.

[O_oTheGameo_O]

QUOTE(JethroTul @ Apr 12 2006, 02:58 PM)

the dutch are always good in these things have a friend of mine H2DeeToo from there and he is keen on sat

Jep we like things free, although there are some of us that are very greedy and nerdy that want to keep all the good things for them selfs  

[MacDennis]

QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Apr 12 2006, 03:22 PM)

Jep we like things free, although there are some of us that are very greedy and nerdy that want to keep all the good things for them selfs  

Like who?

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Apr 12 2006, 05:13 PM)

well all I can say it would not be me  

Of course not, because you didn't contribute ANYTHING at all and were playing games while people like MacDennis and me were researching the 360 security and doing lots of scene contributions with the documentation of our findings. The complete DVD authentication process is now documented on XBH because of people like us. I even released the complete sourcecode to my unlocker tool, which shows in great detail how xbox DVD security works. I haven't made a SINGLE dollar with my work and am certainly not planning to do so.

And still, ppl like you are complaining, without having done ANY work themselves but complaining and bitching ..

I think that's really sad...

[Spark]

You have to understand though Specialist that when you hacked the 360 firmware, and then didn't release any of your work (which I don't blame you for), it wound a lot of people up.

I'm not necassarily saying that you should have kept quiet about what you achieved, but you're gonna have to expect the odd comment like that every now and then.

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(Spark @ Apr 12 2006, 07:21 PM)

You have to understand though Specialist that when you hacked the 360 firmware, and then didn't release any of your work (which I don't blame you for), it wound a lot of people up.

I'm not necassarily saying that you should have kept quiet about what you achieved, but you're gonna have to expect the odd comment like that every now and then.

Didn't release anything ? Complete sourcecodes where released, ALL security details were released, NOTHING was kept, man I don't even have a 360 Yeah, there are ppl in the team that now can play backups on their 360 but they worked hard for it and contributed a LOT to scene. I think it's their very good right.

[PedrosPad]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Apr 12 2006, 07:02 PM)

man I don't even have a 360

Now that you've improved the cost/benefit ratio    , you really should consider picking one up.  

[BlueCop]

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Yeah, there are ppl in the team that now can play backups on their 360 but they worked hard for it and contributed a LOT to scene. I think it's their very good right.

I do respect you guys and your right not to release but i don't really agree with it.

Wouldn't it be better for the scene for everyone to be able to do this? I sure wouldn't like to have to write and develop every single hack or program for the xbox 1 i use. it would make the box basicly useless for me because the time required would out weight the benefits. That said i did try to contribute by rekeying a dev kit xbox 1 bios to the retail key in the early days of xbox hacking.( I released mine a couple days before complex did their first release. i didn't have the proper distrobution channels to get as wide release and their scene connections did but if you search some info on it is still out there) At that time there were a few people who had accomplished the same thing as I but wouldn't release. They were mainly interested in their own pursuits and not the interests of the scene as a whole.

the main thing i want to use my 360 for is hombrew/emulation/ HDTV playback. The HDTV playback already works nicely with media center extender though i would like an open source solution.

like i stated in the second post of the now famous "hacking DVD firmware" thread
"i am more interested in the possibility of moding a game disc data for our own purposes."

I personally think it would be better for the scene if there were some publicly available patches for the firmware to be able to boot games. This is not because i wish to pirate games but i think more people would be poking the 360 for holes in games to open up the 360 to more then just booting backups. rather they just spend all their time trying to reproduce a hack that in itself will only play backups and won't break the core security. At the same time it would shutup all the whiney people asking for the hask. Public exploration of the core security of the box seems to have stoped since the kiosk disc was baned =(. This hack would open a whole host of tinkerers to start playing.

there are free gamecude dol files that patch the the GameCude DVD firmware(mn102 controller) to boot backups and hombrew that are available from the web that aren't illegal and don't use copyrighted code.

Peace,
BlueCop

sorry if i am a little incoherent/redundant. i just wanted to chime in with my thoughts. I am not a great writer  =P

Edit: oh yea i forgot to mention thanks for mentioning my name in the thread you posted about the hack, TS. It gave me a little fuzzy feeling that i normally only get from high grade marijuana or a case heifweizen beers.

[Spark]

The problem is that whoever releases that firmware, or a variant of it (which eventually of course somebody will) will release a legal shit storm upon their own head/s, and from a personal perspective, it just wouldn't seem worth it, for further evidence of that look at what happened to Utopia, and then multiply it by 1000 (since this individual wouldn't feel Sega's wrath, they'd feel MS's).

Thinking about it, I probably would have made the exact same decision as TS and his friends. It's not a popular decision, but it's a far safer one.

[MacDennis]

QUOTE(Spark @ Apr 13 2006, 12:35 AM)

Thinking about it, I probably would have made the exact same decision as TS and his friends. It's not a popular decision, but it's a far safer one.

Jon Lech Johansen

[BlueCop]

yes we know dvd jon but without him i wouldn't be able to play dvds on all the devices i do. like for example I reencode DVDs to mp4 for my cell phone all the time. He did a great service for the worlds consumers. If you remember he didn't get convicted and didn't go to jail. pass go collect $200

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Apr 13 2006, 12:46 AM)

yes we know dvd jon but without him i wouldn't be able to play dvds on all the devices i do. like for example I reencode DVDs to mp4 for my cell phone all the time. He did a great service for the worlds consumers. If you remember he didn't get convicted and didn't go to jail. pass go collect $200

But would you want to go through what he went ? Months of uncertainty, facing minimum of 2 years in prison.... Yes, in the end, all charges were dropped, BUT he was from Norway, according to the law in 90% of the other countries (like the Netherlands) , he WOULD have been sent to prison.

Of course you could upload it anonimously and take your chances but it's not something I believe in. Still, I can understand that people disagree with the decision that nobody in the team wants to release. And of course, it's everybody good right to disagree. But I just feel it's sad that some people really bitch and wine about it, without having done ANYTHING at all (I'm not referring to you, bluecop ) where we did a lot of work, documentation and all free of any charge. We didn't make 1 dollar. And then these 15 year old spoiled brats start wining, feeling that they somehow DESERVE to get the hack. Get over it and if you want it that bad, do it yourself. All the info is on XBH. Even if you know SHIT about hacking, you can educate yourself and with all the info on XBH, you can do it in less time than it took us (4 months). If you're an experienced hacker, I'm 100% sure you can do it within 2 weeks. Or wait till somebody with less ethics wants to do it for you.

[BlueCop]

I have already release modified copyrighted MS code before luckily without consequence. I have have been taken to court by coporate bastards before specificly DirecTV. I am just a freedom of information type guy. I mean everything when i say information nuclear weapons to how my tooth brush viberates better then others.  

If a hacker has a trusted scene contact then you can do things anonymously.

don't take this as a counter to what you're saying. I see your point of view and I fear too. It's just i think hackers should unite to change the laws. in cases of unjust laws i consider it an act of civil disobedience to work against/break such laws in examples of legit uses. example DMCA

[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Apr 13 2006, 01:18 AM)

I have already release modified copyrighted MS code before luckily without consequence. I have have been taken to court by coporate bastards before specificly DirecTV.

Hehe Well I think it's personal, but I'm quite sure 99% wouldn't like facing 2 years of prison minimum, EVEN if there would be good chances that you would go free, released of any charges ...

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If a hacker has a trusted scene contact then you can do things anonymously.

Like I said, it is very well possible to release anonimously, but it's not something I believe in (releasing the hack). Again, all we wanted to do is show the world that the 360 wasn't really the fortress that MS claimed it to be...

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Apr 13 2006, 01:18 AM)

 It's just i think hackers should unite to change the laws. in cases of unjust laws i consider it an act of civil disobedience to work against/break such laws in examples of legit uses. example DMCA

Here I totally agree. Laws like DMCA are plain SICK. Only reason they exist is because:

A ) Politicians don't understand them and their implications and
B ) Big corporations want them because
C ) They don't know how to write protections