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[eyric101]

At the risk of being flamed for some unknown reason!!!  The scene has really turned on itself.  People are not as tolerent of the the script kiddies and wanabe hackers as they were last generation.  In so many ways the xbox360 scene now resembles all the little kids fighting over scraps in the ps2 world.  Anyway thats not the point of this post...
    I was just curious if anyone has looked at this possibility.  Supose MS releases Halo3 on  disks that reports another type of media.  Not an official xbox360 disk, but one that reports something else to the drive.  If your xbox360 reports its official 360 media as the firmware update would make it, MS has the power to do anything from ban you on live to fry your xbox.  We already know they control your power distribution through software!  On the bright side, xbox360 sales would be boosted with everyone who did this going out to buy new boxes.  Almost the way sony sales were boosted because their console was such  piece of crap that you had to have baught at least 2 because your first was sure to break.

[calang]

QUOTE(linksmechanic @ Apr 4 2006, 07:21 PM)

What are you talking about you idiot. I have an original 360 version 1 with no problems at all you nimcumpoop!

who's the idiot?  Normally I dont reply to posts such as this, but I thought I should.  He has a valid point, and if you would have read the post ,  he stated that SONY boosted sales.   Now since when did sony make xbox 360's?    YOU are the nincumpoop!

[vegas2times]

MS makes a big loss on every 360, they make their money back through a cut of the software sales. so why is it a good thing that people will have to buy replacment 360s? everybody loses

[onlyme]

QUOTE(eyric101 @ Apr 3 2006, 01:18 PM)

MS has the power to do anything from ban you on live to fry your xbox.  

Is there any truth in the idea of MS killing a box if thought to be modded? surely this cant be legal I mean if i paid for it then i can change it if i want to right?

[eyric101]

QUOTE(linksmechanic @ Apr 4 2006, 11:21 PM)

What are you talking about you idiot. I have an original 360 version 1 with no problems at all you nimcumpoop!

Ok dude, STFU.  Either read the post or go back to sleep, don't make some half assed comments that have nothing to do with the original post, but hey thanks for the bump.

QUOTE(vegas2times @ Apr 5 2006, 04:28 AM)

MS makes a big loss on every 360, they make their money back through a cut of the software sales. so why is it a good thing that people will have to buy replacment 360s? everybody loses

Its called market share.  MS would probably pay twice what they loose per unit in order to tell the game manufacturers that they have more xbox360's in peoples homes then sony has ps2's.  It would increase consumer confidence and sponser confidence alike.

QUOTE(onlyme @ Apr 5 2006, 07:36 AM)

Is there any truth in the idea of MS killing a box if thought to be modded? surely this cant be legal I mean if i paid for it then i can change it if i want to right?

Legally they could not out and out kill your box, but I bet they could find a grey area that would cause the user a lot of problems.  Considder save game nukes, they are part of your live profile.  Live is so ingrained in the 360, if it was banned, I wonder what else wouldn't work.  I imagine you wouldn't be able to even log  local profile in.

[eyric101]

QUOTE(MacDennis @ Apr 6 2006, 08:00 AM)

Well, such a disc will be rejected by the drive. The drive does not accept x360 disc with a non-standard 'media type'. Why would they release such a disc on the market in the first place?

It would not be rejected by the drive if the media flags were correctly set.  Take the demo disc for example.  If they released a game that had the media flag set the same as the demo disc did.  Your dvd drive would be able to boot just fine.  However, if MS put a routine on the disc to report back what type of media was being booted, and the disc reported xbox 360 disc, MS would know that they had not set those discs to report that.

QUOTE(MacDennis @ Apr 6 2006, 08:00 AM)

They already have that power. No need for a special disc. They could issue a Live update and detect a modified (hacked) firmware. Then they can do whatever they want. I don't think they will start killing your xbox. Possible things they will do: ban you from Live, upgrade the dvd-rom firmware or show a message 'call technical support'. They will not kill your xbox, that's the worst they could do. Doing so will result in a lot of bad press.

Lets say that MS screwed up.  They can't 'detect' your dvd firmware or flash it through live. We can only speculate what they can and can't do. Or even if they can, there is no one forcing you to ever connect to live. I believe there is a very real chance they cannot update or even detect the firmware on the DVD drive if the hack is written properly. joke\ Now they could activate the GPS locater they planted in your xbox and come make you "disappear".  /joke.  I supose it would be possible for them to cripple your xbox in some way that perhaps they could easily fix if you took them to court.

[cpi]

MS has been very quick to incorporate the latest updates with newly released games. For example GRAW will update your 360 to 2255 before it will allow you to play the game.

[rinconns]

the issue of MS killing the unit

This issue has been seen before in satalite hacking
dishnetwork (USA) and Expressvu (Canada) have shut down receivers running illegal code, a simple FW update to disable the unit was all it took

they can legally do this
you the buyer own's the unit or hardware
MS owns the software and code in the machine, they grant you a conditional license to use it
break the rules of agreement and they can disable the unit through an ecm style attack

they only thing they cannot do is physically damage the unit, like sending a command to set it on fire lol

[ShadowElitePro]

QUOTE(onlyme @ Apr 5 2006, 06:36 AM)

Is there any truth in the idea of MS killing a box if thought to be modded? surely this cant be legal I mean if i paid for it then i can change it if i want to right?

If there sure its modded they can do anything. Its against there Terms and Policys.

EDIT- Sorry didnt read the last post.

[dimmellee]

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,people were eagerly awaiting the release of the next big hitter game Halo 2.
Loads of people were screaming they are gonna destroy our soft modded /chipped boxes with the update on Halo 2, what happened? Zilch.
Is this gonna happen ? NO!  But you can be assured someone at sometime is gonna get banned from Live.

[picopir8]

QUOTE(rinconns @ Apr 11 2006, 11:17 AM)

the issue of MS killing the unit

This issue has been seen before in satalite hacking
dishnetwork (USA) and Expressvu (Canada) have shut down receivers running illegal code, a simple FW update to disable the unit was all it took

they can legally do this
you the buyer own's the unit or hardware
MS owns the software and code in the machine, they grant you a conditional license to use it
break the rules of agreement and they can disable the unit through an ecm style attack

they only thing they cannot do is physically damage the unit, like sending a command to set it on fire lol

Not true.  The satellite companies sent code which fried the access cards not the hardware.  The access cards are owned by the satellite company so they were frying their own devices.  It is illegal for any company to sent any type of signal to either damage or otherwise disable the software or hardware.  This was decided back in the 80s when several software companies had embedded viruses in their software and then executed the virus if the software was suspected to be coppied.  Some unknowing customers coppied the software (which was designed to run off floppies) to their HDD and in doing so launched the virus.

What is legal is the injection of code which detects coppies/hacks and then reports back so they can either disable a service (such as xb live) which would cause the customer to contact them and if it was determined to be an error then the service is reestablished.  Otherwise the only thing they can do is retain the info that was transmitted for use in a possible lawsuit.  They can not fry hardware or render software useless they own the hardware.

[Neilinator99]

JEBUSSS stop giving them ideas.... they lurk everywhere around us and we dont even know that... rember how bunnie got the call only 12 hours after putting those images....


remeber Bill Gates is a large ass terd that sits on top of mount vermon with a big wand and can turn us into old homeless ass terd with the flick of his wand...... thats why he is my role model    

[BlueCop]

well they were nice to bunnie. they could have chosen a harsher route then a friendly phone call.