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[FloDSeL1985]

Xbox DVD Firmware Hacked
Posted by greg
source: xboxhacker

Looks like Thespecialist was able to successfully boot a backed up DVD on an original Xbox without any modchip or softmod - just using custom hacked firmware for the 8050L dvd-rom drive. The great news is the GDR3120 drive (in the Xbox360) runs a similar firmware version. This may open up a few possibilities!


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Let`s hope this could happen!


if the firmware is really similiar then the possibility would be big that we could do the same to the 360!


what would that mean on XBL ? since you arent using any kind of chip/software exploit.

just the DVD drive hack.

Does X360 check its DVD drive for any changes or modifications to the firmware? if not, this could be a great oppurtunity


GreetinZ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

[PC_Arcade]

I KNEW I shouldn't have got interested, anyone who does make any sort of breakthough, would at least be able to spell it

As opposed to regurgitatiting week old news, and starting another thread on it when there's a perfectly good on already)

[FloDSeL1985]

QUOTE(PC_Arcade @ Feb 9 2006, 09:56 AM)

breakthough

QUOTE(PC_Arcade @ Feb 9 2006, 09:56 AM)

perfectly good on already

spelling you said ?

[sameatshamhaha]

haha u stuck at smelling!

[mksoftware]

QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 10:06 AM)

spelling you said ?

LMAO

[lordvader129]

considering that thespecialist has announced hes working on a simialr hack for 360 means almost certainly that MS is working on a kernel update to block it, kernel runs a checksum on the dvd firmware, if it doesnt match it doesnt boot, end of hack

[ravenslayer]

QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 08:58 AM)

Xbox DVD Firmware Hacked
Posted by greg
source: xboxhacker

Looks like Thespecialist was able to successfully boot a backed up DVD on an original Xbox without any modchip or softmod - just using custom hacked firmware for the 8050L dvd-rom drive. The great news is the GDR3120 drive (in the Xbox360) runs a similar firmware version. This may open up a few possibilities!
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Let`s hope this could happen!
if the firmware is really similiar then the possibility would be big that we could do the same to the 360!
what would that mean on XBL ? since you arent using any kind of chip/software exploit.

just the DVD drive hack.

Does X360 check its DVD drive for any changes or modifications to the firmware? if not, this could be a great oppurtunity
GreetinZ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)

Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?
Dit nieuws is al enkele weken oud

translation : old news

[krayzie]

QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Feb 9 2006, 08:14 PM)

Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?

nee, houden alle Belgen van herhalen?

[C o s m o]

QUOTE(krayzie @ Feb 9 2006, 01:45 PM)

nee, houden alle Belgen van herhalen?

What does Halle Berry have to do with it?
(I'm sorry)

[PC_Arcade]

QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 09:06 AM)

spelling you said ?

oops (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)

[TheSpecialist]

The 'security' in the drive is just plain embarassing ... I know MS must now feel they made a HUGE mistake by 'forgetting' about the Firmware ... I just read something on XBH I just could NOT believe but it's been confirmed: the 16 byte FW key is dumpable with debug commands ! Oh my god !!! Just plain embarassing, I have no words for this stupidity ... It's not even fun anymore, when they leave the door wide open like this

However, this time it's not the 'security' (is there any ? ) in the FW that's preventing the 360 from being hacked, it's the legal threat to hackers. I *KNOW* that there must be someone already who's got his 360 FW modded to run backups, there are so many talented hackers in the scene, somebody must have done it already. But this time, it's something else compared to the way the original xbox got hacked (running unsigned code). A FW hack can *only* be used to run backups and the previous xbox hack could be used to run homebrew, so that's a BIG legal difference. So, this time it is the legal system that is preventing a hack getting released. Well, maybe there's someone out there who wants to risk getting himself into all the trouble like 'DVD John' got into, for example, by releasing his 'DeCSS' (the guy was thrown into prison and I believe he's still getting sued). He's a 'free' man again, but I think nobody wants to go through what he went ...

We'll see what happens .... But again, I just can't believe MS And about MS thinking of a patch: I am afraid for them there ain't much they can do ... I would be VERY surprised if there was code in the drive apart from the FW. Meaning that EVERY patch they can come up with, can be hacked again. If they run a checksum, somebody could just mod it to always come up with the 'right' answer

As for me, no, don't expect more work on the xbox/360 from me, I've had my fun

Hey Krazie, wist niet dat jij een Nederlander was, leuk om te zien dat NL goed vertegenwoordigd is in the scene

TS

[krayzie]

Well if people are afraid to get sued for releasing some hack why don't just spread it anonimously. With all the hacks around in all kinds of scenes i doubt this would be a barrier. And yeah I'ts a shame you cannot run unsigned code with the firmware hack and it will posibly have nasty consequences for xboxlive but it IS a first step into hacking the 360 and lots of people look forward into that.
And with the media flag altered we DO have exceeded a limitation which will allow us to edit files so we can look into flaws in games etc to see to get a full hack going in some way.

p.s. Ja ik zie idd steeds meer en meer nl's verschijnen in de scene. Goeie ontwikkeling  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by krayzie: Feb 10 2006, 06:48 AM

[skyhi]

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Feb 10 2006, 04:24 AM)

A FW hack can *only* be used to run backups and the previous xbox hack could be used to run homebrew, so that's a BIG legal difference. So, this time it is the legal system that is preventing a hack getting released. Well, maybe there's someone out there who wants to risk getting himself into all the trouble like 'DVD John' got into, for example, by releasing his 'DeCSS' (the guy was thrown into prison and I believe He's still getting sued). He's a 'free' man again, but I think nobody wants to go through what he went ...

First of all - BIG Kudos to TS!! (And all involved) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)  

I know how it must have felt to get as far as you did but then hit that wall of realization - this could spell big trouble!

What if a document was released that just basically states what code needs to be modified in the firmware to run one's backups?  I mean there are legitimate reasons for wanting to backup/play your own copies of your games.  I'm forever having to get our games 'polished' to remove scratches to make them playable again (kids will be kids) and in some cases have not succeeded in getting a workable copy again!
I guess what I'm saying is what is wrong with dumping your own firmware, making whatever changes you want to it and loading it back into your own drive?  

I have been following the posts at XBH from the beginning with great admiration for all that everyone has accomplished!  I am a hacker from way back - C64 days myself.  I've always made backups right from the beginning of the Commodore years.

As for this 'hack' only being able to run backups - I wonder if this is really so..
I mean - the hack will let your backup run because the firmware lets the burned media load into the xbox - the executionables are still signed so the box will run the program..
But it is only the executionables that are signed meaning would it not be possible to exploit the rest of the game data to perhaps take over and run one's own code?  I'm no expert at coding but I've got to think there must be a way to do this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)  
Again what it truly wrong with running one's own code on one's own box?  And now that it is possible to dump the firmware with debug commands this seem just right for the home hackers.
I do not own a 360 yet but it is starting to look like I'll be making the purchase soon!

TS - sorry to hear you are 'retiring' although I doubt a true hacker ever retires (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[mrbelvedere]

I don't see how there would be legal issues if it was released as a PPF patch....  I mean, you are not releasing any copyrighted portion of the firmware, only patching it

[FloDSeL1985]

QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Feb 9 2006, 08:14 PM)

Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?
Dit nieuws is al enkele weken oud

translation : old news

Nee , sommige nederlanders hebben meer dingen te doen dan 24/7 achter hun pctje hangen om de laatste nieuwtjes te weten.

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To bad that the law is stopping us... but there will be someone to release something... there always is,
but i`m patient so ì'm not in a rush.


@ TS

Jij nederlands ? voelt goed om te weten dat we hier ook mensen met verstand hebben en niet alleen zeurende kinderen met "waneer komt er nou een chip?" dat soort onzin

ik heb respect voor je werk ! keep it up

Rolater