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[bucko]

QUOTE(xodus_xodus @ Dec 25 2005, 09:53 PM)

Here is an other intesting trial..

take a blank cdrw of 700MB..
copy an xex file from a backup into this cdrw + as many files as you can...
burn and finalize the cdrw..

switch the xbox on..
once on the menu, put the cdrw in..

the game will start but the xbox will say that there is a read error with this cdrw.. because files are missing..

won't work with a dvdrw..

therefore, the X2 can execute cdrws.. and there is a media check..

Lo, also the video download link is now a bad link.

[crosseye]

ok, until I see a GAME running, he hacked your arse as far as I know. The 360 WILL play a stupid video someone put on a CD. It's a video for christ sake. If you try a GAME backup, the 360 will do a media check as soon as the cache is clear and the disc spins up again. We've already tried with original xbox games.
If you don't believe me, try it yourself. Take a Halo 2 backup, set your 360 up the same way with the DVD drive open on top. Start the game, stop moving for a while and let the disc spin down. Switch to your backup and resume playing. The game will only run until the cache is out, and then you get a dirty disc. If you really wanna be funny, just take the disc out and watch it play.
So, like I said, anyone could make a video. Show me a game and give some proof, not these dark videos trying to hide what's really going on. You don't have to have darkness EVERYWHERE if you just stay off the camera. Not like the CIA is looking for you.

[Gael360]

QUOTE(Anubis-MG @ Dec 25 2005, 07:15 PM)

Yep I already tried this method 3 weeks ago and I am the one that posted that is did not work.

Or it does work but only till the dvd drive has to read the disc to load a new area.

It would really be nice if these people would read the posts before doing things that others have already

done!!

Just tell me something : you tried with an ISO from Team PI ?      

So please try to make the ISO with the hotswap method. You will have a full backup, with the Video DVD session, instead of the Team PI backups which have only the XDVDFS session.

And to finish, if someone does something you already said it do not work, it's also because you can have made a mistake while testing !

[tom15]

QUOTE(b0utmym0ney @ Dec 26 2005, 05:01 AM)

anyone got a link to this video the link is not workin no more i wanna see this for my self...

Since the link was posted on xbox-scene forum, adn_ftp who hosted the file just saw his server down (too much upload).
He hopes someone will host the file, because it was a hundred times downloaded. (see http://gueux-forum.n...ic=85594&st=220

Gael360 could you post the video from sliders58?

PS: gueux.be comes from France, not Belgium.

[Gael360]

QUOTE(tom15 @ Dec 26 2005, 10:14 AM)

Gael360 could you post the video from sliders58?

Sorry I didn't keep it, but if someone send it  to me, I can put it on my web site

[Arakon]

stop getting worked up over this, think about the facts.. it may work for a video, but it can never work for executables, since the signature check is done before launching the executable, you get NANOSECONDS to swap after that, and guess what happens when the disk is stopped and the dataflow is interrupted after the sig check? yep.. it rechecks the sig and/or considers it invalid for the data it is now getting.

[Gael360]

QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 26 2005, 12:11 PM)

stop getting worked up over this, think about the facts.. it may work for a video, but it can never work for executables, since the signature check is done before launching the executable, you get NANOSECONDS to swap after that, and guess what happens when the disk is stopped and the dataflow is interrupted after the sig check? yep.. it rechecks the sig and/or considers it invalid for the data it is now getting.

I really think you do not understand what we are talking about : running a backup is not a problem of checking the signature of the executable, but the media type of the DVD. This is why we have to do this hotswap.

[sick_mate_xbox]

QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 26 2005, 08:41 PM)

stop getting worked up over this, think about the facts.. it may work for a video, but it can never work for executables, since the signature check is done before launching the executable, you get NANOSECONDS to swap after that, and guess what happens when the disk is stopped and the dataflow is interrupted after the sig check? yep.. it rechecks the sig and/or considers it invalid for the data it is now getting.

yeah, i agree. i dont think its worth getting excited. MS would of thought of this before the 360 was even an idea..

[Lukenatme]

You all are letting logic and technical facts get in the way of Pirate dreams  

[Arakon]

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I really think you do not understand what we are talking about : running a backup is not a problem of checking the signature of the executable, but the media type of the DVD. This is why we have to do this hotswap.

yes, it IS a problem of the signature check. even if you swap around the media check, the signature will be invalid and the executable isn't launched. if this would work, it would've worked for the xbox 1 already.

[Gael360]

QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 26 2005, 04:01 PM)

yes, it IS a problem of the signature check. even if you swap around the media check, the signature will be invalid and the executable isn't launched. if this would work, it would've worked for the xbox 1 already.

Ok, for you something YOU are not able to do is impossible ... So can you explain me what is the problem with this signature check, I mean a technical explanation, not something like 'I heard someone saying we can't'.

For me, the signature is a part of the default.xex file, it proves that the xex file hasn't been modified since MS signed it. But for playing backup, we're doing an exact copy of the xex file, with its signature... So I can't see where is the signature check problem.

[jamie123]

simple question, is this real? yes or no

and if it is, can someone post instructions on how to do this? what does this do? the translated forums are too hard to read?

[pez2k]

QUOTE(Gael360 @ Dec 26 2005, 03:55 PM)

For me, the signature is a part of the default.xex file, it proves that the xex file hasn't been modified since MS signed it. But for playing backup, we're doing an exact copy of the xex file, with its signature... So I can't see where is the signature check problem.

There's also a media check. Each executable has a flag saying what sort of media it can be run from, for example a game is flagged to run only from a pressed Xbox DVD, the emulator updates are flagged to run from HDD or rewritable media, etc. If you copy the game from the original pressed DVD to a writable disc, as it tries to boot the console will check the media flag (pressed disc) against the media (writable disc). The media check will fail, and the console will give an error. Now why not change the media flag of the executable? That would break the MS signature of the file, and thus it wouldn't boot. The only way to fix that is to know the key to resign the executable with, and cracking 2048-bit RSA encryption isn't going to happen any time soon.

[b0utmym0ney]

i want to try it but id rather someone tell me this works all the way i dont wanna open my xbox to play a backup for a few second's has anyone played a entire game yet with this trick??

[crosseye]

Once again, this has been tried with Halo 2 already! It does NOT work. I don't freakin care if you hotswap or not. The fact is, when the 360 goes to read from a disc that has spun down, it does a check. The game is simply playing from cache. Don't believe me, try the same thing, but don't put a disc in. Let the disc spin down and go idle, then just take it out and resume playing. You'll be fine and dandy until the cache runs out.
Regardless, this little trick of theirs didn't even show a freakin game playing. I'm pretty sure it showed a stupid video they made.