Topic: Succesful Backup Swap On 360 ! (Read 1070 times)

spinr34 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 28, 2005, 02:58:00 PM »

call me a hater but i don't believe it. yea we were shown the SIDE of the TV then all of a sudden we saw the other side. what about the bottom, you know that big area under the picture tube where things like coax and more rca cable inputs hang out. this is the same as the psp video, except there isn't a psp and since the 360 is apart you don't have to open and close the drive. that's how i see it.

stopping the disc gives the video more credibility but i'm not home to test some theories i have and that still doesn't eliminate the idea of someone else doing the same thing on another 360. if they opened one i'm sure they more than likely have opened another...

chilin_dude · « **Reply #61 on:** December 28, 2005, 03:56:00 PM »

QUOTE(krayzie @ Dec 27 2005, 09:59 AM)

Why is there so much fuzz about this. There is absolutely nothing new here. This method would also work on a xbox 1 (in fact there were methods like this used to get backups on live that didn't even require swapping discs.)

I always read about these, but never actually believed they existed, did you merely here about them or witness them>

tekn0 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 28, 2005, 09:19:00 PM »

But when he stops the backup disc and the game/video stops, wouldnt that video allready be in ram? so it would not stop moving....

i may be way off on this though

crosseye · « **Reply #63 on:** December 28, 2005, 09:26:00 PM »

It will work. Now, you tell me what the hell you're gonna do with it. Is it really feasible to hotswap the original just so you can play the SAME backup?

jameswalter · « **Reply #64 on:** December 28, 2005, 10:48:00 PM »

QUOTE(crosseye @ Dec 28 2005, 08:33 PM)

It will work. Now, you tell me what the hell you're gonna do with it. Is it really feasible to hotswap the original just so you can play the SAME backup?

Exactly...you will do more damage to the original in the swap process than just playing the game.

mitch2025 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 28, 2005, 10:54:00 PM »

thats why you use the burnable demo disc.

krayzie · « **Reply #66 on:** December 28, 2005, 10:59:00 PM »

I understood the technique (before they fixed the hole) and even saw video's from another technique (that is fixed now too) so I know for a fact that it WAS possible.

fornorst · « **Reply #67 on:** December 29, 2005, 03:13:00 AM »

QUOTE(InterestedHacker @ Dec 27 2005, 12:21 PM)

The media check may or may not re-occur, this is the only area I am not sure about, any in any case all you are doing is loading the exe from the original, and then loading the content / data files from the copy, which is of course signed (or most likely the cache, which has been mentioned in earlier posts). You cannot boot a different game, if you understand the above. If you boot PGR3 exe, and then swap for Kong, it will give you a dirty disc error because the files it needs aren't on the disc. You cannot launch another XBE file, and if you could, it would invoke the media check again and fail because it's on a DVD-R. This HAS all been proven dozens of times.

So, to sum up, this IS a pointless excercise.

With the sliders58's test, you have your answer : the media check and the signature check do not occured again. Those checks are done one time and only one. The next check will occured when the 360 will reboot or when the DVD drive will be opened.
If that hotswap can gives this answer, I can't understand why you thinlk is useless. Now, do your own test and comme to gueux to share your results as we do.... I'm not sure to see anybody from Xbox-Scene into Gueux... Proves me I'm wrong....

krayzie · « **Reply #68 on:** December 29, 2005, 04:19:00 AM »

QUOTE(fornorst @ Dec 29 2005, 11:20 AM)

With the sliders58's test, you have your answer : the media check and the signature check do not occured again. Those checks are done one time and only one. The next check will occured when the 360 will reboot or when the DVD drive will be opened.
If that hotswap can gives this answer, I can't understand why you thinlk is useless. Now, do your own test and comme to gueux to share your results as we do.... I'm not sure to see anybody from Xbox-Scene into Gueux... Proves me I'm wrong....

Sure why don't we all take a speed course in French and go to Gueux to celebrate this wonderfull discovery you guys made.

grimdeath · « **Reply #69 on:** December 29, 2005, 05:42:00 AM »

If this in fact does work you still need to have your x360 open not something everyone will want to do.

chilin_dude · « **Reply #70 on:** December 29, 2005, 05:44:00 AM »

QUOTE(krayzie @ Dec 29 2005, 06:06 AM)

I understood the technique (before they fixed the hole) and even saw video's from another technique (that is fixed now too) so I know for a fact that it WAS possible.

And here was me thinking it was merely an urban legend all this time!
Good to know.

Chancer · « **Reply #71 on:** December 29, 2005, 05:57:00 AM »

QUOTE

I'm not telling that Gueux is better than XS or XS better tah gueux or anything else, but I think your attitude is not helpful.

What do you consider worse.
Nothing hacked or cracked at the moment so keeping quiet or
Nothing Hacked or Cracked at the moment so invent some theories and spout about what you are going to be able to do with this or anything else.
I feel its better to be a realist and unless you have a real breakthrough you bide your time and you keep quiet.
When that moment arrives say your piece and back it up with something that is actually useful to other people.
False hope and Stories only create confusion.

krayzie · « **Reply #72 on:** December 29, 2005, 06:12:00 AM »

QUOTE(Chancer @ Dec 29 2005, 02:04 PM)

False hope and Stories only create confusion.

Exactly....was this news really worth 6 pages of random useless speculation and other bullshit? People only see some backup being played and getting all hyped up about it and they forget or don't understand anything on the subject of security itself.

And in the end all contibutions are offcourse welcome. It really doesn't mather if it's from X-S Gueux or some other hacking site.

Just making some progress is one thing, hyping stuff up and make it look like it's one big deal is another thing.

krayzie · « **Reply #73 on:** December 29, 2005, 06:47:00 AM »

the point is that the backup needs to be a 1 to 1 copy of the original. So how could this ever be usefull into loading backup discs.
You can't ever make original game A load backup game B.

Spark · « **Reply #74 on:** December 29, 2005, 07:16:00 AM »

I think it's good when people share their work because it allows others to examine it, review it, and then possibly build upon it further, which is how console scenes have worked since the days of old.

If some people do not understand that work, then fuck them, they were probably never meant to anyway, but I don't agree that those doing things such as this should keep quiet, it's the speculators that need to be silenced, not those working to push things further.

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