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QUOTE(sebaliseb @ Dec 27 2005, 06:54 AM)

pfff... i see spidergx promoted by xbox scene, so i shouldn't be surprised by seeing all those crap post there.

the site you like so much also promotes the spidergx
http://gueux.be/modu...index.php?id=18

[Gael360]

QUOTE(crosseye @ Dec 27 2005, 03:36 AM)

Another note, you stated this earlier which shows how little you must really know;

Yesterday I found a post where everyone was saying you're a fucking idiot, just because you said it should take one year or more to crack the xex signature/private key. You answered that this quote was out of context.

I think you took one line from my post to have something to say... If you read the entire post, you should understand that I was answering someone saying 'the signature is on the entire disc', which is wrong.

To be honest we, at gueux.be, are tired of trying to explain here what we are doing. We started posting here just to let you know what we discovered. But I realized that we made a mistake, we do not want anymore to share anything with dumbass like you crosseye.

Crosseye, just a question : what did you find ? Did you do any test of hotswap ? Do you even have a Xbox360?!?

And stop boring me with 'Someone said Halo2 doesn't work', because it's not a Xbox360 game, and this guy made a mistake : I'm pretty sure he made a copy of his game by inserting it on his modded Xbox1, downloaded every files by FTP, made an XISO with gdfimage or another XDVDFS iso creation tool, burned to a DVD and tried the hotswap with.

It can't work, because the entries of the XDVDFS session are not the same between the original and the burned DVD, just because he rebuild the XDVDFS iso.

We find that the hotswap doesn't work if the orignal game is not the samez than the backup, for example using PDZ as original and PGR3 as backup. We assume that the Xbox read the XDVDFS entries in the same time it read the media flag, and keep it in cache.

So remember crosseye : if you don't know, don't speak. Try some tests yourself before telling you know something. The only thing you know is information other people give to you.

[SMC]

QUOTE(jizmo @ Dec 26 2005, 10:58 PM)

Saying this doesn't get us anywhere is pretty short sighted; first of all it gives us some valuable information about media checks in x360. Secondly, who's to say a system can't be exploited just by adding things to data files and causing unexpected behaviour to the games - it's done before on computers and consoles.

Some people here are all over the obviously fake PSP hack and others are one-wire modding their x360's and when someone posts first plausible hack-like thing, the bashing begins.

Taking things with a grain of salt isn't a bad thing, but don't OD it.

Good example, the stupid acts of some have ruined it for others

[krayzie]

Why is there so much fuzz about this. There is absolutely nothing new here. This method would also work on a xbox 1  (in fact there were methods like this used to get backups on live that didn't even require swapping discs.)
This is rather useless though IMO. Why would you risk destroying your disc/drive just to run a backup of a game which you should have on you all the time. This trick has nothing to do with breaking media checks or signatures. It's just cuz the checks are done in the xbe/xex and everything after that can be run from any kind of disc. So you can swap discs anytime after the game has loaded (taken the fact that there are no further executables loaded after that like some games and demo discs).

[InterestedHacker]

OMG, are you guys completely stupid???

I have explained, and others have, as to why this will lead no where.  It HAS already been tested by several of the top guys on here, as it was on the original XBOX.  There are some very professional people posting on here, and they aren't posting crap about hot swapping, they are off hacking the drive firmware because this crap is not going to work and is a futile noob attempt at trying to make out this is a quick hack.

Let's just look at the XBOX security and you will understand why this is a useless procedure.

When the XBOX boots, the first thing that happens is the there is a challenge response to the DVD-ROM from the XBOX Kernel.  This 'unlocks' the disc so the drive can read it.  At this stage, unless you have an EXACT copy of the original disc the 360 won't unlock the drive, and will refuse to boot it. (copying the discs like people have been doing will NOT work for this challenge response).  The other part of this unlocking process is the signature check and media check.  The signature of the files loaded are check everytime, and any modifications will halt execution.  The media check is hardcoded into the executable(s) on the DVD.  This bit of code says whether the game can run off an original pressed DVD, or a DVD-R.  You cannot change this media flag, it's on part of the disc that cannot be written to.  You cannot disable the media check by modifiying the executable, as it's signed, and any single bit changed makes it invalid.  You cannot sign code yourself, we cannot and will not ever have the key (read about the other threads about bruteforcing the key and you will see why it will take an eternity).   The final part, IF the media check passed and the DVD was unlocked, is then to boot the executable on that disc.  At this point, the game will boot and stay in memory, whilst 'data files' are loaded.

Now, if you swap discs, for the SAME game, the 'data files' (ie. sounds, models, bitmaps) WILL be loaded from the copy disc, AS LONG AS THE DRIVE REMAINS UNLOCKED AND THE MEDIA CHECK DOES NOT RE-OCCUR, AND THE DISC LAYOUT IS IDENTICAL TO THE ORIGINAL.  The media check may or may not re-occur, this is the only area I am not sure about, any in any case all you are doing is loading the exe from the original, and then loading the content / data files from the copy, which is of course signed (or most likely the cache, which has been mentioned in earlier posts).  You cannot boot a different game, if you understand the above.  If you boot PGR3 exe, and then swap for Kong, it will give you a dirty disc error because the files it needs aren't on the disc.  You cannot launch another XBE file, and if you could, it would invoke the media check again and fail because it's on a DVD-R.  This HAS all been proven dozens of times.

So, to sum up, this IS a pointless excercise.

[InterestedHacker]

QUOTE(xodus_xodus @ Dec 27 2005, 01:24 PM)

This last comment is stupid and finally uses the conclusion of the trial.
This trial had to be done to confim or not confirm some facts.
A good thing, it has been done.

More that that, it has never been written that this method is valid for massive usage..

You comments looks like "too bad I haven't done it first" !

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It had already been done!!  It's a pointless pile of crap that someone has tried to make out is 'amazing news', when it's useless news that the 'real hackers' out here already knew.

[InterestedHacker]

QUOTE(Gael360 @ Dec 27 2005, 01:48 PM)

Bien messieurs je pense que ce dernier post prouve bien que ce forum, bien que décrit comme technique, est rempli uniquement d'idiots qui n'ont qu'à perdre du temps à râler, n'ayant pas eux-même de console ni une quelconque connaissance technique.

Ils sont juste bons à se masturber sur l'idée qu'un   'real hacker'  leur apportera la solution toute faite sans qu'ils aient à réfléchir un seul instant.

Plutôt que de perdre mon temps à essayer de leur faire comprendre quelque chose, je m'en retourne bien vite chez Gueux où je serais avec des gens de meilleurs compagnie.

Messieurs les angliches ... allez vous faire foutre.    
Si vous voulez en savoir plus ... ben vous n'avez qu'à apprendre à parler français   et venir sur gueux :

http://gueux-forum.net/

I suggest you take your masturbation comments and practice them yourself, over your amazing theory of XBOX security, and shove them up your french forum >.<  I won't post on here again, because all it does is invoke childish remarks from people who haven't really got a clue.

[InterestedHacker]

QUOTE(Gael360 @ Dec 27 2005, 02:05 PM)

Good news, many thanks !

You're welcome  You have a good sense of humour, which at least adds something to this thread that's worth reading.

Sorry, I couldn't resist one more reply...

[krayzie]

QUOTE(xodus_xodus @ Dec 27 2005, 12:24 PM)

This last comment is stupid and finally uses the conclusion of the trial.
This trial had to be done to confim or not confirm some facts.
A good thing, it has been done.

More that that, it has never been written that this method is valid for massive usage..

You comments looks like "too bad I haven't done it first" !

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right.. I am glad some people like that some allready existing facts were confirmed. Hooray for you and them.
Yet I don't see any relation of this opening any doors into modding the 360 and I certainly don't understand the use for all this pointless hyping and arguing in the thread that is filled with 99% of people that don't even understand what they type.

oh and your comment looks like "I will defend my right to have an opinion and others who do not share mine i will treat with some sorry, based on nothing kinda statement about them just being jalous"

[dstealth]

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Bien messieurs je pense que ce dernier post prouve bien que ce forum, bien que décrit comme technique, est rempli uniquement d'idiots qui n'ont qu'à perdre du temps à râler, n'ayant pas eux-même de console ni une quelconque connaissance technique.

Ils sont juste bons à se masturber sur l'idée qu'un  'real hacker'  leur apportera la solution toute faite sans qu'ils aient à réfléchir un seul instant.

Plutôt que de perdre mon temps à essayer de leur faire comprendre quelque chose, je m'en retourne bien vite chez Gueux où je serais avec des gens de meilleurs compagnie.

Messieurs les angliches ... allez vous faire foutre.    
Si vous voulez en savoir plus ... ben vous n'avez qu'à apprendre à parler français  et venir sur gueux :

http://gueux-forum.net/

lol

[quall]

^^I'm with you. I can't believe that I read through 5 pages of pointless argumenting between members.

[mkjones]

Hmm, looks like slight of hand to me.

Come back with some hard as concreate proof and I may belive it  

[krayzie]

dudes.....why wouldn't it be true. It might very well be true but it serves of NO benefit at all. It doesn't mean unsigned code is running. It's still running signed code and just some backed up supporting files. It is useless

[enixn]

hmm...i guess the only thing this does is provide another venue for loading modified content onto the 360 with the hope of causing it to crash.  along with the kiosk disk.  

[krayzie]

crashing is one thing. crashing and somehow exploit the system is a whole other thing. A lot if people here act like it's all that easy. Yeah well just caus an overflow here and there and done. Wish it was that simple....unfortuanely it's not.