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Iriez

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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2004, 03:13:00 PM »
Whats funny is people ramble on about how its not user friendly, or they dont like this or that.

Why do you think he made it fully customizeable? Learn to skin and make it exactly the way you want it. Giving the end user the option to customize it is by far the superior approach.

I've always liked Kawa-X for its sheer simplicity. Sometimes less is more.
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2004, 03:44:00 PM »
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Only thing I wish Xport would implement into his emu's like Lantus has done in Xsnes9X is the 10 X 11 aspect ratio , it makes the screen fit just fine on my PAL TV set without having to worry about scaling issues, where as I miss about 1 inch of each side of the screen on Xport emus.

Either way even if it's not addressed, I'm just so happy with what you've given us.

Cheers to you.



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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2004, 03:56:00 PM »
QUOTE (Nostalgic @ Mar 13 2004, 12:44 AM)
dux - what the heck are you talking about?  First off, if you don't like the size or appearance of the font, then just replace it with a TTF you like and change the size...and change the position, color, etc, etc.  All of those things can be done from the in-emu menus.  Also, describe what you mean by clunky scrolling.  You can scroll one at a time with dpad up/down or use the R/L triggers to speed-scroll through the list at variable speeds depending on how hard you press them.  Furthermore, you can dpad left/right to advance by letter.  What is clunky about that?  It's highly efficient, functional and easy.

It seems like the only reason some people prefer Xenesis over NeoGenesis is because of the user interface.  This is just baffling.  What, precisely, is user-unfriendly about it?  XPort's UI is a joy to use because just about anything I'd want to do is customizable via the menus.  

Even if you are inexplicably deadset in your UI preference, how much time do you actually spend in the UI?  Emulators were meant to play games - and guess what?  NeoGenesis does a much better job because it offers so much more.  There's this most recent overclocking improvement, there are segacd save states, fast forwarding, cheat code searching, *lots* of graphic filters, faster 32x emulation than Xenesis (compare fps between the two before you flame about the hardware being the same so there can't be any difference in speed), netplay, autoloading of the most recent savestate, etc, etc.  How much more clear-cut can the decision be?

I thought I made it clear that Genesis Collective support was yet another thing superior about Xenesis.
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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
QUOTE (lantus @ Mar 13 2004, 01:04 AM)
QUOTE (dmb062082 @ Mar 12 2004, 06:42 PM)

matching guis?


me != xport

My gui will never be like his. deal with it. we are different people with different idea's and skills.

I have to say I prefer XSNES9X's GUI. The overall look is more professional, the outlined, drop-shadow font is much easier to read, the menus are tidier, and I like booting straight to the rom list.

If only the emulator were more user-definable...

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dux ducis

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« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2004, 04:39:00 PM »
You talk too much nostalgic.

List every thing that NeoGenesis has that Xenesis doesn't, besides a slightly less appealing interface (IMO).

The overclocking is really nice, but aside from that (and netplay i think) it's no different, just slightly less attractive and notably harder and more troublesome to navigate.

If you are imprssed with xSnes9x, check out Xenesis, IMO when it comes to usability it simply blows NeoGensis out of the galaxy.

edit: don't the wrong idea, i love and appreciate xport's talent and contribution, lending his free time to do this for everyone.
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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2004, 05:48:00 PM »
dux - I guess you'll have to get used to people "talking too much" since you're on a public forum website...

Regardless, it doesn't sound like you even read my response if you're asking for ways that NeoGenesis is better than Xenesis.  I listed several, but in case you missed it the first time...

- overclocking
- segacd save states
- fast forwarding (*extremely* useful - why wait through at least 15 seconds of intro when you can fast forward through it in 2 seconds?  Every single game has an intro of some sort that I can breeze through using the FF function in NeoGenesis.  Some games, like RPGs, have *extremely* long intros when you start a new game.)
- cheat code searching
- lots more graphic filters
- faster 32x emulation (much better FPS)
- netplay
- autoload most recent savestates so when you select a game to play it automatically starts where you left off
and here are some more
- one-button combos - if you need to pull off a special move which requires a chain of motions/buttons, you can configure the series of commands and assign it so a single button in NeoGenesis
- autofire capabilities
- 480p/720/1080 hires modes
- make movies of your gameplay and play them back

I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting, too, but no...it's really no different...not at all.  How about you give your "features of Xenesis not present in NeoGenesis" list now?
Once again, you offer no specifics or examples as to *why* you feel NeoGenesis is harder to navigate.  What exactly were you trying to do when you felt foiled?  All I'm hearing from you is "it's just better" with nothing provided to support your position...just a lot of hyperbole about Xenesis blowing NeoGenesis "out of the galaxy."
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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
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People, lets not start slapping each other down. Everybody has his/her personal preference for whatever reason - which they are perfectly entitled to.
Like lantus said every developer has different ideas and philosophies about what they do so you're always going to get differences. It's what drives change and progress. If every xbox app looked the same and did the same thing in the same way things would soon get boring. It's good to be able to make a choice in what you use.

Right thats my 2 penny worth.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2004, 11:23:00 PM »
QUOTE (Nostalgic @ Mar 13 2004, 03:48 AM)
just a lot of hyperbole about Xenesis blowing NeoGenesis "out of the galaxy."

Here's what I said:

"IMO when it comes to usability it simply blows NeoGensis out of the galaxy"

and I seriously don't care enough to go through the entire list and check which of your ill gotten facts are and aren't correct. Cheat search is nothing compared to GCOffline support, by the way.

I think I summed it up well in my previous post, the message was Xenesis : genesis emulators on the xbox :: xSnes9x : super nintendo emulators on the xbox
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2004, 12:32:00 AM »
No one can say either is better than the other really its more preference.  Personally I like xport's version more but that is me.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2004, 02:53:00 AM »
There's no code for it in gens (the source from which these emus are translated) so it's pretty doubtful, but I share your yern for it.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2004, 04:50:00 AM »
Carcharius - first I'd like to say thanks for Xenesis - even though I prefer NeoGenesis, I appreciate the time and effort you put into Xenesis.  To address your comments - you're going to have to specifically identify those several things that are actually present in Xenesis, because I don't see *any* them in .97b.  Not a single one, as a matter of fact.  Well, to be fair I did not hook up my HD setup to see if some 480/720/1080 video options appeared when it's on, but I don't see it mentioned in the Xenesis NFO anywhere, so it doesn't seem likely.  I can't comment on how 32x emulation has improved, but I can say that, without a doubt, NeoGenesis has much faster 32x emulation.  Load up Virtua Fighter 32x in both and you'll see that NeoGenesis gets much better FPS.  It's like Xenesis is playing in slow-motion.  

I'm not slapping dux down.  He made some statements about how Xenesis is so much better than NeoGenesis and it just *flabbergasts* me so I wanted to hear some pertinents to better understand his position.  I have given my reasons why I prefer NeoGenesis and have backed them up with specific facts.  Dux continues to just say "Xenesis is better" and doesn't offer any real information other than the fact that he likes the UI better.  (Even though he could change the way NeoGenesis looks to *whatever* he wants.)  He still has not explained what it is about the UI that was a foil for him.  

dux - you're repeating yourself but you're not answering my questions.  What, specifically, about the usability of NeoGenesis do you find unappealing?  If you're going to say "the menu system sucks" or something to that effect, then you're going to need to do better.  Give me some real-life examples of something that is easy to do in Xenesis but hard to do in NeoGenesis.  Also, my facts are not "ill gotten".  I need to hear what Cacharius is talking about because I still stand by my list.  I suspect the real reason you keep avoiding my questions is because you're trying to defend a position that is not defensible.  

And your summation is not accurate at all.  xSnes9x is waaaaaay better than hikaru's snes9x both in function and appearance.  Even if you like Xenesis better than NeoGenesis, there is no way that you can possibly say that Xenesis is better than NeoGenesis by the same amount that xSnes9x is better than snes9x.  That's just silly.
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2004, 10:19:00 AM »
wacko.gif  I'll just say - there's more to come! wink.gif

I have no problem with anyone preferring NeoGenesis etc over Xenesis. I just wanted to make sure you were basing your argument on the latest version. If you have then that's cool and goes back to what I said earlier about choice and opinion.

I am pleased to have at least a couple of die-hard fans though! smile.gif I'm sure there are probably folks out there who haven't even tried Xenesis lately cos they are happy with NeoGenesis. Which again I'm cool with if a little disappointed.

I don't want this to further fuel any arguments (I don't think it will) so lets everyone shake hands, crack open a few cans and sit down and play some games!

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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »
so for this genesis collective thingy, do u have to have ur box connected to teh net for it to work? or is the data base stored in the xbe or in teh xenesis folder?
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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »
The details are in the nfo that comes with Xenesis 0.97 or 0.97b.

But basically - go to the genesis collective website.

Download the GCOffline package (be warned it's quite a large d/l at 23meg)

Extract the archive to a folder on your xbox (should have a load of .chm format help files)

Use the options menus in Xenesis to set the path (won't work on drive G).

Then when you have a Genesis rom highlighted (doesn't work for 32x or sega cd). Press the white button to access the info for the current game.


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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2004, 12:06:00 PM »
I personally like Xenesis' interface better. It just feels more nice and clean to me.

Anyhow, as Carch has stated, he has a version that you have not so your previous post may well be completely incorrect.
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