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[Heliopolis]

QUOTE(vikingwiz @ Mar 8 2008, 07:20 AM)

Hello,

I've installed a NME2.0 into a Hitachi Drive. It boots up just fine, just disc is unplayable. Any ideas? I've checked 3 times to ensure none of the wires or sauder points are bridged. Thank you!

Which discs are unplayable? Original or backups. Are you holding the power button for a couple of seconds to engage the modchip? If the modchip is on and the front panel wires are connected, the centre indicator on the power button should stay off while the XBox is powered.

BTW, originals will not run while the NME2 is on.

[FATGUTS]

I am having a very similar problem, and its getting pretty annoying and frustrating.
i use the following to make my backups
SH-D162C kreon drive
Xbox backup creator
Pioneer 111D
HP dual layer dvd+r
and my console is elite 79FK Hitachi
and heres the thing, i had been making backups and they all worked great up til like 2 days ago
i make a little video and i burned it to CD using NERO, since then, all my discs say that message, unplayable disc when i insert into the tray and close door (for backups of course) originals will always still boot up just fine, and the backups i had created prior to using that damn NERO program all boot up perfect, no error of unplayable disc, but heres the thing, on discs that say unplayable disc, if i sit there and eject after the message, then close the tray again, if message pops up again i open it back up, close it again, open it backup and close it again, id say about 1 outta every 10-15 times the disc WILL eventually load, this is however NOT COOL i dont want to sit there for 20 minutes before it eventually loads and lets me play the freaking thing, i have already uninstalled all my programs, NERO, IMGburn, CloneCD, and reinstalled them all back again in the order that i had the previous time, NERO, IMGburn, and CloneCD, and still the same thing,
i have a question for someone, on the instructions for setting up the chip it says close jumper J1 for the hitachi drive, does that mean to connect those 2 points together? like fill it with solder?
cuz heres the thing, when i 1st did the install, i did not fill that, its still had a gap inbetween those 2 points for the J1 jumper.
i remembered i had done that, and opened it all back up, filled that spot with solder, and then closed up the console again, tried to put in a disc, and it wont even spin the disc, you can hear that its not doing anything, had to take it all apart again, removed the solder, and then they spun up again just fine and the burns i made before, all load up fine as do originals.
i have wasted 2 spindles of 15 pack HP DVD+R DL tryin different things to try and find that right combination of things to do to get them to work again, the process that i had used before, and the only process that i had found to give me success in backup creation for the NME was
extract image
extract SS
use SS Merge and inject the ISO and the SS, merge
use NME associator and convert, and that was the only way i could get my burns to work, now that only gives me unplayable disc error, and must eject, insert, eject, insert, eject, insert, over and over until it decides to load the disc, im getting to the point where i feel like just removing the chip and say F* the backups and getting the key and flashing my drive, if anyone has simlar problem and if you have been able to find some solution, please! please! help a dude out!
I just dont understand why some backups load up perfect, no errors ever (no unplayable disc errors ever)
I HAVE already put a lens cleaner in my burner just to make sure my lens that was writing wasnt/isnt dirty and is causing the errors to occur but still the same thing, and i dont have a restore point on my PC set to undo whatever changes using NERO caused.
ANY help, would be much apreciated.
I am going to open it all back up again this weekend and check, double check, triple and quad check all my connections AND if someone says that yes the J1 jumper should be filled with solder i will try that again also, if this continues, im just going to remove it all and ship it back for a key instead. I might as well just buy a 2nd original with the $ i've been spending on spindles of dual layer dvds that are worthless now.

[Heliopolis]

QUOTE(FATGUTS @ Mar 8 2008, 10:33 AM)

I am having a very similar problem, and its getting pretty annoying and frustrating.
i use the following to make my backups
SH-D162C kreon drive
Xbox backup creator
Pioneer 111D
HP dual layer dvd+r
and my console is elite 79FK Hitachi
and heres the thing, i had been making backups and they all worked great up til like 2 days ago
i make a little video and i burned it to CD using NERO, since then, all my discs say that message, unplayable disc ...

Hey, sounds like you're up for a new DVD burner. You could try updating firmware for your burner if you think you have been getting a different batch of discs from the ones you have burnt previously. Otherwise, it could just be that your DVD burner has come to the end of its life.

Another thought - It could be that the laser for your burner is slightly off. If you are verifying your burns and they come up ok, this may point to the laser being slightly out of alignment from the standard. Again, new burner would be the solution. They are very cheap as you know.

[FATGUTS]

Heliopolis: Thanks for your responce and suggestion, that could very well be the case, tho my burner is just more then a year old it has been used and abused by me i would say, i make tons of cds out of that thing, for movies and gamebackups and music cds, so that could very well be the case that its come to the end of its life time
I do see that there is a newer firmware out for the pioneer 111D drive, i will update drivers, and make another coaster most likely, if thats the case.
i will scoop up another burner tomorrow and report back with my findings on this. I seriously hope this is the case, i am by no means a soldering expert it took me 4 days of just soldering practice on a dead PC mobo (i would just cut small pieces of wire, and solder them onto the smallest tracks i could find on the board, once i felt confident i went for it, and it took me nearly a day to complete the install, i am also someone that takes extreme caution when doing something like this, and this was my very 1st soldering experience) but i do feel very confident that i made all the connections correctly and well. Which is why im so confused as to why some load up perfect without a single problem and others require me to eject and reinsert over and over and over until it deciedes to load it up. they were all burning great up until i used NERO which is something that i hardly ever do.
i will go on the hunt for another Pioneer burner tomorrow like i said, and report back on my results on that.
i will also post on what the firmware update did for me, if unplayable disc message or if it loads up on the 1st insert, again thanks for the responce

[letsmod]

QUOTE(FATGUTS @ Mar 7 2008, 06:05 PM)

Heliopolis: Thanks for your responce and suggestion, that could very well be the case, tho my burner is just more then a year old it has been used and abused by me i would say, i make tons of cds out of that thing, for movies and gamebackups and music cds, so that could very well be the case that its come to the end of its life time
I do see that there is a newer firmware out for the pioneer 111D drive, i will update drivers, and make another coaster most likely, if thats the case.
i will scoop up another burner tomorrow and report back with my findings on this. I seriously hope this is the case, i am by no means a soldering expert it took me 4 days of just soldering practice on a dead PC mobo (i would just cut small pieces of wire, and solder them onto the smallest tracks i could find on the board, once i felt confident i went for it, and it took me nearly a day to complete the install, i am also someone that takes extreme caution when doing something like this, and this was my very 1st soldering experience) but i do feel very confident that i made all the connections correctly and well. Which is why im so confused as to why some load up perfect without a single problem and others require me to eject and reinsert over and over and over until it deciedes to load it up. they were all burning great up until i used NERO which is something that i hardly ever do.
i will go on the hunt for another Pioneer burner tomorrow like i said, and report back on my results on that.
i will also post on what the firmware update did for me, if unplayable disc message or if it loads up on the 1st insert, again thanks for the responce

NME team refuses to put up the correct diagrams for 0078 and 0079,

move your ground point here TP 805

[vikingwiz]

To further note, it plays dvds just fine. But originals never work with NME2 on or off.

[FATGUTS]

Alrite, so update on unplayable disc thing.
i went to a friends house who also happens to have the same setup i do.
SH-D162C w/kreon
and Pioneer 111D, dumped image, converted to NME format, burn
took disc home and inserted into tray, same message "unplayable disc"
im going to see if i can find a different type of DL DVD's, most of the time i buy the 3 pack bundles
of the HP dual layer dvds, but its cheaper to buy the spindles of 15, so i had done that for the last 2 packs.
im pretty sure the ones that boot up perfect each time came from the packs of 3 that i had been buyin, im going to grab another 3 pack, and see if there are any different brands available for the same thing DL DVDs and grab a pack of those also, maybe its just the discs that the machine doesnt like, maybe the spindle packs are cheaper for a reason the discs might not be as good, i can get a pack of 3 discs for 10 dollars, or a spindle of 15 for 40 dollars, so the savings arent HUGE, but its a savings, but if the spindle ones suck then i guess i will have no choice but to grab the 3 pack. i'll grab some more of those later today and report back on my findings there, and still, if anyone would be able to clarify for me "CLOSE JUMPER J1 TO CONFIGURE FOR HITACHI DRIVES" what the he**s that mean, should i, or should i not fill that spot with solder, is that my problem? that its not filled?
at least i didnt go out and spend another 100 dollars on a dvd burner, glad i remembered a friend has the exact same components that i do.

[Heliopolis]

QUOTE(FATGUTS @ Mar 8 2008, 04:56 PM)

question, if you happen to know what in the world does it mean "close jumper j1 to configure for hitachi drives" like stated in my previous posts, i did NOT fill that spot with solder, then i went back and DID fill it with solder, but the drive wont even spin the discs, so i removed it and now some backups work, while others say, unplayable disc, and after tons of ejects and re-inserts they will eventualy load.

I don't have the Hitachi drive, but if it says to close the link I would have filled it with solder and expect this to be correct. It is strange that you have seen varied results with this.

I also see suggestions about moving points around (such as in this thread), this may be true, but I would be reluctant to move any connection unless I fully understood what the new point is and what the results of moving to a non-defined point is also. At worst you may destroy a component in the XBox or drive or M$FT may be able to detect your installation as they can when fan mods are installed. I'm not saying the information is incorrect, I am just saying that there is a risk involved if you can not verify that the information is correct.

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also, i tried to find another pioneer burner here but there are none, i found a few sony dl dvd burners, wondering if anyone is having good sucess with SONY burners, it looks solid, but this chip is startin to tick me off, i dont wanna dish out 150 bux for a burner that will end up giving me the same results of "unplayable disc" bullcr@p.

I must have lucked it in as I just use a LITE-ON LH-18A1P DVD burner and so far everything has burnt fine. I don't know if you need to shell out $150 on a burner as I would expect a $35 burner to do the job. I have read that some work better than others, but if you can find a cheap LITE-ON, I would give that a go.

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... i updated the firmware on my current burner pioneer 111d still havent tried to make another backup yet tho, i prob will tomorrow ...

Yes, give this a go now that you have updated the firmware. If the discs you are using are new on the market, the latest firmware may have mods to work with them. Especially if you have changed disc brands. I have only used Verbatim +R discs as most forums suggest these are the best to use. Be careful though as they make them in a number of regions and the quality varies. I've read that the Singapore Verbatim discs are best.

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 i will have to go and buy another spindle of dl dvds again...

Q: What discs are you using and have you changed the brand of discs recently?

[FATGUTS]

I havent changed brands, just package type, i was buying 3 packs in jewel cases, and i changed to buying spindle of 15, they are same brand tho HP DVD+R 2.4x Double Layer.
discs look identical to me, i sent the wife to the store to pick me up another pack of 3 in jewel cases, once she returns with those i will try once more, if i get a unplayable disc error,i will try 1 last time with some verbatims that i will have to order online since there are none available here where i live walmart used to carry them but now all they have are the 3 packs, i've been getting my 15 pack spindles from Staples.
if that still produces same results, time to quit the backup scene and will just have to use the originals, or go passkey and flash.

[Heliopolis]

I understand your frustration. In Australia I am paying $65 for a 20 disc Verbatim spindle. At first I burnt 8 or so coasters and was getting very pissed. However, once I worked out the procedure I was set and everything has been good since. That is why I wanted to post my procedure to this forum.

From what you have written to date I believe your issue is one of discs and repeatable quality. I have only ever used the Verbatim discs as this is what almost all forums suggest you use. I have only had to buy one spindle of 20 which I now have to replace. Hopefully the quality of my next spindle is equally good.

I think you are over the hump now and your install is fine. Installing the NME2 is a pain and you have done a good job on that. I'm fairly certain that once you nail down some good quality discs you will have beat this one with a stick.

[FATGUTS]

Ya the thing that makes me feel that my problems is elsewhere and not my connections of the chip is due to the fact that i have about 10 backups that all work perfect, every single time, no errors of unplayable disc EVER!, if my connections were wrong or bad i would think that all of my discs would be giving me this message of "unplayable disc" and not just more recent burns, i have now tried to burn another disc, still from the spindle of 15 pack NOT the 3 pack jewel cases, as the wife still hasnt returned and its been nearly 4.5 hrs. she'll get it once she walks thru the door tho no worries there, shes delaying my research LOL. but this is a burn AFTER updating firmware for my Pioneer 111D burner to the latest and pc reboot, still same thing, will only play after ejecting it and loading it about 10 times it will eventually load the disc. so basicly another scrapped disc, i will reburn the image to one of the discs she brings me whenever she gets home and report back on that, hopefully its just the discs, and i guess if it is, im a dumb ass for tryin to save a dollar and buying spindles instead of the 3 packs, will report back with my findings as soon as i can.

[Heliopolis]

Honestly I would expect the spindle quality to be the same as the jewel cases. That is, unless they are coming out of different factories.

The other thing to consider is write speed. Always use a very slow write speed even if your disc says it can handle 6x, 8x or higher. The verbatim discs I use are rated @ 2.4x so that is what I use even though my burner can write to them faster.

Maybe try the HP discs @ 2.4x if you are writing faster now. It would be interesting to see if this makes a difference.

[FATGUTS]

Alrite, well....took a rest from makin coasters for a day, but now im back to report my findings.
alrite, so i've gone thru 2 spindle 15 disc packs of HP DL DVD+R 2.4x
all of which give me unplayable disc error when inserting into tray of the 360.
the ones from the spindles usually load..EVENTUALLY. (i have to sit there and eject the disc and reinsert it over and over and eventually it will spin it up and start the game, every so often it loads 1st try, but for the most part 99.8% you have to eject it and reinsert it hella times before it will start up the game, and some wont ever load, ever.)
i have about 10 backups that work perfect no error message ever, loads everytime.
these backups are burned on the same type of disc HP DVD+R DL 2.4x, discs look identical.
exept these discs came from 3 pack that come in jewel cases, the others are from spindles that come in packs of 15.
if you put the discs side by side and looked at them you would not be able to tell the difference between what disc was from the jewel cases and what disc was from the spindle, they are identical in apperance, but not in quality.
the spindles all turn to unplayable disc's. coasters, trash, crap, w/e you wanna call them
the discs from the jewel cases, all work fine, every burn, load every time, no eject and reinsert process, dont know if i happened to get a bad batch of discs from the spindles, but i got 2 that turned all into shredded discs now, not about to try my luck again with the spindles, overall the savings of buying spindles was about 5 dollars, but with the risk that they wont work its not a valuable enough 5 dollars, not a single burn from the 2 spindle packs of 30 discs load up well, every one gives unplayable disc error and i must eject and reinsert about 15 times before a game will eventually load.
i knew it couldnt of been my chip install, cuz i had backups that loaded up everytime perfect, everytime.
im pretty shocked tho, that the same exact disc types give me these results, no more spindles for me i guess, 3 pack in jewel cases it is from now on, just wanted to share that with you guys, if you have similar problems, try a diff disc type, as stupid as it sounds that the disc would be the one at fault and not your chip, i am proof that such a problem does happen, wish i could take my spindles back and get my 80 dollars back tho, kinda a high price to pay for a lesson.
i tried burning the discs from the spindle in my friends pioneer 111d also to see if
his burner gave different results, same exact thing tho, its not the burner, its not my chip install, its not bad backup, plain and simply the spindle discs arent as good as the discs in the jewel cases in this case.
so there u have it
if you are using NME 2.0, stay away from the HP DL DVD+R 2.4x SPINDLE PACKS OF 15!!!
the HP DL DVD+R 2.4x that come in 3 PACK JEWEL CASES ALL WORK PERFECT

[Dark Mod]

For the people here on this thread that installed the nme in the hitachis, sammys and benqs.....you need to know a few things here:

Samsung drives with nme chip: games HAVE to be patched using nme assosciator and burnt at 2x using imgburn or clone cd with the layerbreak manually configured in imgburn.

hitachi drives: same thing....but there is a twist, you need to tweak the laser to get the originals and backups to run properly.

benq: same thing but ensure you hold the power button for two seconds for the chip to wake up and enable the benq mode for it to read backups

I've installed alot of the nme products in alot of consoles and all still work beautifully

[djmdesign]

i had the same problem. eject reload eject reload.

it was my dual layer disks.  

I have always used memorex dual layuer +R. at the time they came with a puple wraping package. since they switched over to a white packaging the disks arent any good. I think memorex went with a different supplier. if i find an old pack in the purple wrap they work fine.
 also the new ap2.5 games dont work !  

also  when i hold down my power button and the chip is enabled the pwer light in the center of the button stays on just as if it was a non modded xbox. i havent ever had any issues with games