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[modman15]

I was planning on getting a NME chip and have questions regarding the backups. I have been backing up my games using the WxRipper method and SS Merger. I get my iso from wxripper and SS file from Xbox Backup Creator. Now i noticed when im at the SS Merger step, that i see a box checked saying that its NME compatible. I leave that box checked when i merge the iso and SS. My question is, is that all you have to do for the backup to work for the NME chip. Please Answer

[costas83]

Why you just don`t follow the instructions on the NME website?
1)Use the NME associator as instructed
2)Burn DVD with imgbur as instructed also

[modman15]

Well, the backups i have are already burned, so i was asking with the method i used, is my backups going to work for the NME. And yes, I do burn with imgburn, and my game size comes out to the exact size as it says it needs to be. So is my method all u have to do??

[iamcanadian2222]

I assume that if the box is checked saying it's NME compatible, then yes it should work.  The obvious peice of the puzzle that is still left for you would be getting a working backup onto a physical medium that works in your box. (eg. burning the ISO to a DVD+R DL)

You can also run the ISO through XDVDMulleter and it should tell you if it's compatible.  I usually run all my ISO's through XDVDMulleter before burning them to make sure all the patches for stealth, NME, etc are done.

[modman15]

Thx for the answer canadian, that helped (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[modman15]

Im pretty certain that my backups will work for the NME, but i dont see a option on the XDVDMulleter to see if my backup is NME compatible. I dont want to reburn my backups, or waste money on the chip to find out that my backups wont work on it. So does anybody know any programs or ways to make 100% sure that my backups will work for the NME???

[ydgmms]

If the size of the ISO = to what NME website (or my guide) says it should be then, your ISO will work. Now will your media work? It should. But you're fine.

Why go with NME nowadays though? Bannable. But as long as you dont care about live, its all good.

(coming from a user and installer of NME)

[modman15]

Thanks ydgmms, just the answer i was looking for.    My backups are Verbatims so , ill be fine. thx all for help.

[Amnitrix]

Just one more thing, NME isn't a very.. well... good chip in my opinion.  Why not just flash the drive?

[iamcanadian2222]

QUOTE(ydgmms @ Jun 18 2007, 07:19 PM)

Why go with NME nowadays though? Bannable. But as long as you dont care about live, its all good.

(coming from a user and installer of NME)

 

QUOTE(Amnitrix @ Jun 19 2007, 12:05 AM)

Just one more thing, NME isn't a very.. well... good chip in my opinion.  Why not just flash the drive?

If you have a 79fk drive (like with a 360 Elite), then flashing isn't currently an option.  There a rumors that a team is going to release a hardware mod that will allow flashing of the 79fk series, but for the time being it's either a mod chip (NME 1.2) or desoldering a chip on the DVD drive and direct-programming it.

Being that most people dont have the skills to (1) desolder the tiny chip and (2) reattach it, (3) dont have the correct programmer, and/or (4) just dont have the knowledge for that operation - the mod chip is really the only option for them right now.

And there's also the debatable point of having two-firmwares. The NME 1.2 chip only enables the modified firmware when playing a backup. When originals are played, the stock firmware is supposed to be used. This means that if Microsoft checks for firmware modifications while playing on LIVE with an Original the NME 1.2 chip wouldn't be detected.  On the other hand, if Microsoft checks for firmware when "offline" then there would really be no argument for this function.  On a similar topic, the chip also has the functionality to disable the network port when a backup is inserted, but it seems like most people don't use this feature anyway.

[iamcanadian2222]

QUOTE(modman15 @ Jun 18 2007, 06:43 PM)

Im pretty certain that my backups will work for the NME, but i dont see a option on the XDVDMulleter to see if my backup is NME compatible. I dont want to reburn my backups, or waste money on the chip to find out that my backups wont work on it. So does anybody know any programs or ways to make 100% sure that my backups will work for the NME???

 
Sorry for the lack of clarity there.  XDVDMulleter does not directly check for NME compatibility.  I've always just run the NME Associator and patched the games.  As someone else mentioned, you should be able to check the size of the file. Per Team Underdogs website: "the image must now be exactly 7.705.657.344  Bytes of size. (in KB it is 7.525.056)"

QUOTE(Amnitrix @ Jun 19 2007, 12:05 AM)

Just one more thing, NME isn't a very.. well... good chip in my opinion.  Why not just flash the drive?

Just stating your opinion doesn't provide any value without giving any reasoning. Could you explain why you think that NME isn't a very good chip - and give some reasoning, evidence, or metrics?

[ydgmms]

QUOTE(iamcanadian2222 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:23 AM)

If you have a 79fk drive (like with a 360 Elite), then flashing isn't currently an option.  There a rumors that a team is going to release a hardware mod that will allow flashing of the 79fk series, but for the time being it's either a mod chip (NME 1.2) or desoldering a chip on the DVD drive and direct-programming it.

Being that most people dont have the skills to (1) desolder the tiny chip and (2) reattach it, (3) dont have the correct programmer, and/or (4) just dont have the knowledge for that operation - the mod chip is really the only option for them right now.

And there's also the debatable point of having two-firmwares. The NME 1.2 chip only enables the modified firmware when playing a backup. When originals are played, the stock firmware is supposed to be used. This means that if Microsoft checks for firmware modifications while playing on LIVE with an Original the NME 1.2 chip wouldn't be detected.  On the other hand, if Microsoft checks for firmware when "offline" then there would really be no argument for this function.  On a similar topic, the chip also has the functionality to disable the network port when a backup is inserted, but it seems like most people don't use this feature anyway.

I know all the arguments. Until the bannings, I would agree. But post-bannings, its a different world.

79FK dumping/flashing is *said* to be coming soon.

QUOTE(iamcanadian2222 @ Jun 19 2007, 12:44 PM)

Sorry for the lack of clarity there.  XDVDMulleter does not directly check for NME compatibility.  I've always just run the NME Associator and patched the games.  As someone else mentioned, you should be able to check the size of the file. Per Team Underdogs website: "the image must now be exactly 7.705.657.344  Bytes of size. (in KB it is 7.525.056)"
Just stating your opinion doesn't provide any value without giving any reasoning. Could you explain why you think that NME isn't a very good chip - and give some reasoning, evidence, or metrics?

The NME1.2 has had SERIOUS flaws mainly on Samsung drives. Go back to the posts from around mid-March 07. You'll see a LOT of people having problems with them. Whether or not  NME fixed the problem and released new 1.2s silently, I don't know.

Currently, I believe the best chips are:
Xeno-360 (For Samsung or Hitachi 78/79) - Easy install. Doesn't require workarounds to get it to work. Only problem is the manual activation of the chip.

NME 1.1 for Hitachi before 78s/Samsung - Best chip in my opinion. Worked fine in all my installs. Auto detection worked great.

[iamcanadian2222]

QUOTE(ydgmms @ Jun 19 2007, 01:31 PM)

I know all the arguments. Until the bannings, I would agree. But post-bannings, its a different world.

79FK dumping/flashing is *said* to be coming soon.

The last paragraph I wrote was leading to the fact that nobody really knows what's going on with the bans. Most people who post that they have been banned seem to think they did everything the recommended way.  Then later you come to find out that they had played a backup online, played the Halo 3 release online, or worse yet played a non-stealth backup online...

I have yet to use LIVE on my Xbox (1) or Xbox 360, so it's not that important to me.  On the other hand, I completely understand the value of LIVE and why people love it.  If you want to play on LIVE without being banned, you shouldn't be playing backups online anyway.  Play the originals online with standard firmware (which a chip allows you to do).

Regarding the dumping, that's what I meant by "There a rumors that a team is going to release a hardware mod that will allow flashing of the 79fk series" ... who knows if/when it will come, but that should be nice for the firmware flashers.

 

QUOTE(ydgmms @ Jun 19 2007, 01:31 PM)

The NME1.2 has had SERIOUS flaws mainly on Samsung drives. Go back to the posts from around mid-March 07. You'll see a LOT of people having problems with them. Whether or not  NME fixed the problem and released new 1.2s silently, I don't know.

I agree. I think it's a really poor idea to release "broken" product into the market.  I'm sure they are doing some sort of quality assurance and should have known that there was an issue.  Although removing the 470 coil is a simple fix, the consumer shouldn't have to do it - that's the manufacturers job to make sure the product arrives working.

 

QUOTE(ydgmms @ Jun 19 2007, 01:31 PM)

Currently, I believe the best chips are:
Xeno-360 (For Samsung or Hitachi 78/79) - Easy install. Doesn't require workarounds to get it to work. Only problem is the manual activation of the chip.

NME 1.1 for Hitachi before 78s/Samsung - Best chip in my opinion. Worked fine in all my installs. Auto detection worked great.

My understanding is the Xeno chip doesn't work on the 79fk series.  There is a whole thread in this forum dedicated to the topic and the fact that the Xeno doesnt work. Thanks for your input and reasoning on the chips!

[ydgmms]

QUOTE(iamcanadian2222 @ Jun 21 2007, 11:05 AM)

Thanks for the good post, ydgmms.
The last paragraph I wrote was leading to the fact that nobody really knows what's going on with the bans. Most people who post that they have been banned seem to think they did everything the recommended way.  Then later you come to find out that they had played a backup online, played the Halo 3 release online, or worse yet played a non-stealth backup online...

It seems to do with the way the backups are made. From various posts I've seen, from people that would know, the NME style is now more detectable. Of course that goes in the face of what Team Xectuor and Xeno said a long time ago - that it was nearly undetectable.  I can attest that *I* made all my backups *PERSONALLY* with my *OWN* TSST SCHD162C drive. Always full stealth with NME style. I was banned. As well as some friends that I *KNOW* never played a "Scene Release" or improperly made backup. Mainly because they wouldn't know where to get a "Scene Release" etc.

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I have yet to use LIVE on my Xbox (1) or Xbox 360, so it's not that important to me.  On the other hand, I completely understand the value of LIVE and why people love it.  If you want to play on LIVE without being banned, you shouldn't be playing backups online anyway.  Play the originals online with standard firmware (which a chip allows you to do).

Agreed. Still banned. As are my friends.

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Regarding the dumping, that's what I meant by "There a rumors that a team is going to release a hardware mod that will allow flashing of the 79fk series" ... who knows if/when it will come, but that should be nice for the firmware flashers.

its not a rumor, its just a matter of when. But  besides that, there is *talk* of a pure software based flashing system being worked on.
 

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I agree. I think it's a really poor idea to release "broken" product into the market.  I'm sure they are doing some sort of quality assurance and should have known that there was an issue.  Although removing the 470 coil is a simple fix, the consumer shouldn't have to do it - that's the manufacturers job to make sure the product arrives working.

 
My understanding is the Xeno chip doesn't work on the 79fk series.  There is a whole thread in this forum dedicated to the topic and the fact that the Xeno doesnt work. Thanks for your input and reasoning on the chips!

There's never been quality assurance on the NME chips. All of them have had some sort of flaw.
As far as Xeno not working on 79fk. I'd assume it would, because its a NME1.2 clone. but I've never installed on a 79, so I have no real world experience with that.