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[elmo121]

this is entirely speculation, but as i recall, a ceartna team pi (i think it was them anyway) managed to get there grubby little fingers onto some of the debug 360's from a warehouse. It may be possible that therefour team devil360 managed to get hold of one of the units, and have been replicating the changes made to the mobo to allow the debug unit to boot unsigned xbe's?

i believe in devil 360 and wish them the best of luck

stop with all the negative vibes ppl, at the end of the day if it turns out fake, then well just have to wait till someone else figures out how to do it

and this time lets not all run to bunnie and expect him to have all the answers - he may be good, but im sure hacking the 360 is the only thing in his life

[Morlok8k]

QUOTE(Dark_Neo @ Jun 8 2006, 03:46 AM)

This is interesting. I'm positive this is an old picture of the Hynix chip (does anyone else get the urge to call it the Hymen chip? )

does somebody have the urge to break that chips' cherry?

if they can modify the contents of the TSOP where the dashboard is at, we can eventually create our own dash, right?

[DivyX]

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To me it makes sense to store the bulkier parts of bootcode inside the TSOP, encrypted with the per Xbox key, decrypting it inside the processor, no external signals to probe.

I agree on this.

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and honestly how would a hacked TSOP help in this situ, remember this TSOP only holds the dash

The tsop contains more than "just" dash... dash is just one file amongst many others like bootanim.xex and mfgbootlauncher.xex, sure many dash's parts are in there also like marketplace etc.
Yeah i don't however see what it would accomplish either.  

[Dark_Neo]

QUOTE(Morlok8k @ Jun 8 2006, 08:35 PM)

does somebody have the urge to break that chips' cherry?

if they can modify the contents of the TSOP where the dashboard is at, we can eventually create our own dash, right?

Hehehe nice someone thought that joke was funny

Problem is the way it's currently believed to work, modifying the contents of the TSOP would involve being able to run unsigned code, which would let us do a lot of things.

The dash is almost certainly signed, so no mods until the signing is bypassed.

[eX_Do0mY]

^^FYI, site is back online now.

I don't know.  Past experiences tell me that this is pure BS, but their unusual behavior (unusual compared to other proven fraudulent claims) tells me that they could actually have done it.

[nuke field ET]

QUOTE(eX_Do0mY @ Jun 8 2006, 10:34 PM)

^^FYI, site is back online now.

I don't know.  Past experiences tell me that this is pure BS, but their unusual behavior (unusual compared to other proven fraudulent claims) tells me that they could actually have done it.

Well, think about it.  The past claims, people have put out actual pictures of "mod chips" that were fake... If devil360 were faking this and really wanted to pull something off, they would've put out a picture claiming it as "proof", but they haven't done that.  They're even saying it's not ready yet... So, in my opinion, especially considering xbox-scene reported the news repeatedly (also, they actually met the team), I think there's no doubt that it's legit.

[obscure_detour]

I'll go ahead and say it.  Xbox-Scene has never posted news about a fake chip before.  They have however, only released news that a chip was fake.    

I highly doubt they would start now.  

It's real.

obscure detour

[iquid-!ce]

QUOTE(obscure_detour @ Jun 9 2006, 06:25 AM)

I'll go ahead and say it.  Xbox-Scene has never posted news about a fake chip before.  They have however, only released news that a chip was fake.    

I highly doubt they would start now.  

It's real.

obscure detour

No they were posting news about the team ICE chip when that was going around, then they said they wouldnt post anything more about it until they had hard proof/ a sample of it after all the delays and exscuses team ICE made

[ripper22]

Who could ever thought that a Mico$oft! product would have security flaws!
 

[littlestevie360]

QUOTE(Dark_Neo @ Jun 8 2006, 10:30 PM)

Hmmm thought as much, I don't pretend to know how doing this would be possible, just speculating. Getting to the data inside the CPU is really the holy grail of 360 hacking.

Free60 project seems to be at a complete standstill as far as I can tell. To me it makes sense to store the bulkier parts of bootcode inside the TSOP, encrypted with the per Xbox key, decrypting it inside the processor, no external signals to probe. I'm not really sure what's involved with the booting of the 360 (specifically how much space that would take up) but I remember space was a critical issue for boot code in the previous Xbox (leading to most of the mistakes) so to me it sounds likely that they only put the really secure things inside the processor, the rest would have to be in another chip, the ATI chip already has a load of stuff to do anyway, so TSOP seems plausible to me. Although thinking from a security point of view, if it couldn't be fit in the processor the ATI chip is the best place for it, the bus speeds are too high for most equipment to probe.

Where are you getting your information from btw? If Free60 is a slightly "tainted" source I better not base all my understanding from the information there. I tend to stay away from forums because they get so bogged down with rubbish.

thats what they thought about the xbox1 then a new lsa came out that was faster, another point to note they designed the XCPU from the ground up with IBM meaning the bootstrap could have the space tailered to it.

as for my sources, well they are secret and the information is not easily accessable on the net   , well not at all unless you hack my protected storage

[bigjimmy]

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Who could ever thought that a Mico$oft! product would have security flaws!

Who wouldve thought!?  

[dstealth]

Their website, now that it's up looks almost as tacky as the I.C.E. modchip one. Hope this one is real though.  

[Dark_Neo]

QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Jun 9 2006, 08:57 AM)

thats what they thought about the xbox1 then a new lsa came out that was faster, another point to note they designed the XCPU from the ground up with IBM meaning the bootstrap could have the space tailered to it.

as for my sources, well they are secret and the information is not easily accessable on the net   , well not at all unless you hack my protected storage

*hacks protected storage* wait a minute.....this is all porn! *downloads anyway*  

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However we did not manage to get the product ready for today (6/6/6), because we are working hard on improving it to:

* Boot unsigned code

LOL.... I wonder what it does now.. nothing?!

Have you read all of this thread? It's already been said several times that this could mean several things, either they are just stupid and haven't done anything, or they meant booting XEX files, right now they might have a modchip that allows small payloads of code to be executed, which is useful, but will need more work until XEX files are executable.

[vadox6466]

i don't understand the point of this.  What good does the guys behind the site get by faking a modchip?  Some emails to spam (if ppl are gullible enough to put their email in that little box)?

What was the point?

[sam1dog]

QUOTE(vadox6466 @ Jun 9 2006, 11:09 PM)

i don't understand the point of this.  What good does the guys behind the site get by faking a modchip?  Some emails to spam (if ppl are gullible enough to put their email in that little box)?

What was the point?

Thats true,  never thought about that.  They probably did it just to spam our emails and make money of it.