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[SupraKid]

The site design is idential to GCloader's site.... and as everyone knows GCLoader was also a scam.

[Arch0n]

QUOTE(nateh90 @ Jun 7 2006, 03:17 AM)

EDIT: BTW, why would they be using version 1.3.33 of apache when apache is at release 2.2.2?? Seems a little odd to me.

They're using Debian Woody Stable or .3.33 cos it's half the eveil of 6.66 ? who knows?  

QUOTE(boddo @ Jun 7 2006, 05:22 AM)

everyone here is bashing everyone on who knows better. wheres the community mentality gone?

Seems to be business as usual to me!

QUOTE(javip @ Jun 7 2006, 07:14 AM)

the way i see it.. they are going to a lot of trouble to make this look real (if it is fake), without asking for any money or soliciting people to buy it

True, some people originally said when the site was released that it was there simply to generate hits? WTF for, there's no advertising on it...


For those saying that Xecuter are the hardware masters and they're site doesn't fall down etc (whatever your point here is, I dunno) just remember they lost their domain and were up and down in one form or another for weeks...  Also remember that they didn't do the early work to hack the xbox, Andrew H did. (so yep agree with ^ Thyatis)

There was also the rumor that their initial BIOS code was bought from a rogue employee at M$ (yeah I dunno either).

PS this is not a TX dis, those guys are in my top 5 scene gods list and I've used their BIOS long time  

QUOTE(sp1200 @ Jun 7 2006, 04:34 AM)

I remember when Evolution X was announced, people thought it was all BS.

Not to say this devil chip is legit but time will tell.

those were good days... The release was like "Want an app that does this that, ftp etc" and it got so farking flamed (and otherwise, there was complete polarization )and then EvolutionX simply released their dash and it did everything they said.  

QUOTE(ColdReader @ Jun 7 2006, 10:42 AM)

NO XDK MEANS NO HOMEBREW NO THATS RIGHT NONE! NO XBMC NONE OF THAT SO BOOTING UNSIGNED CODE IS WORTHLESS

well 10 Dev kits went missing on release and only 8 were recovered? (with chedabob ^ on this one) but littlestevie360 has cleared that up. Yay Oz  

QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Jun 7 2006, 12:44 PM)

not that this is relevant at all to this topic as C4E and TS afaik are NOT the devil360 team

It may be relevant though, as in their "security summary" or WETF it was (second X-S post) they hinted at a hardware SED operation on the traffic between the console and teh DVD. It sounds difficult (at the least) to me due to the manipulation required beforehand such as ES extraction but not impossible. After all, something like the Xenium has its own OS and is able to manipulate the orignal xbox's hardware pre flash.

QUOTE(kneehighspy @ Jun 7 2006, 01:45 PM)

heh, i remember back in the day burning my own xbox eeproms and installing them, all 29 wires to be exact.  

I still have a box with a functioning homebrew 29 wire in it. It has always, and is continuing to work fine

QUOTE(Questioner @ Jun 7 2006, 05:02 PM)

Yah, as they say....the devil360 is in the details

 

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jun 7 2006, 05:31 PM)

If I was a mod I would disable your posting for 3 days for telling everyone in here to ................................
Oooh I am a mod.

hahahahahahah  blind freddie, KILLplaystation  

QUOTE(acemilo @ Jun 7 2006, 07:13 PM)

These are pics of the devil360, which is nothing more than a replacement chip for the firmware on the dvd drive.  They lied to us and said it has nothing to do with the dvd firmware hack, but obviously it does.  You can make this chip yourself for next to nothing, don't be fooled.

Read the news mate. Devil360 <> Devil Mod 360 (cheers mksoftware ^)


     @ MR Buga Wuga
 ("Right okay, this is my VERY first post, Im popping my cherry!     <---My cum face"

BTW I'm still balancing the inaccuracies and GCloader, ICEmod etc stuff against the X-S posting legit stuf and (you'd think) not wanting to be burned.


As for the Devil360 in general: maybe they have a "chip", maybe they dont or maybe the truth is half way between.

Either way my 360 has 9.5 months of warranty left and after seeing my mate's spontaneously die the other day (he got his the day after me) I'm really not interested in farking with it until its proved its reliability.

 - so I'm just happy to watch what happens.



and I want a cookie for reading the whole thread (23pages).


PS Quoting Mr Bunga... really borked the quote mechanism up

[LightningStruckMyXbox]

there is no way that devil360 would make first page news as many times as they have without being ligit. Can we please give our site admins more credit than we are. I could, no WOULD bet that they have some kind of prototype or picture/video of this chip in action. I don't think they would be stupid enough to announce a chip without proof.

just some more of my $.02 worth.

[littlestevie360]

QUOTE(nateh90 @ Jun 7 2006, 12:17 PM)

 why would they be using version 1.3.33 of apache when apache is at release 2.2.2?? Seems a little odd to me.

I am a network admin and just a point to note standard training to get your cert points out that you use a version below standard release, standard buisiness practice, infact once when xbox-scene crashed i noticed they were using 1.3.3.3 they may have updated now

but the version behind current release is used because it is tried true and proven, and most bugs and insecurities have already been found and patched

most buisinesses folow this rule here in australia too. i for one do this for stability.

EDIT: i thought i might point out something, someone said that they think that it could be thru the SATA bus. i have news for ya, if it was to go thwu the sata bus without touching the firmware the SS for every game would have to be on the chip, the firmware says look at this sector on the disk for the SS, a man-in-the-middle couldnt say look here unless it sent a different signal to it (that would be time consuming). although i could be proven wrong on the hitachi drives as the xbox360 talks to the mn103 then calls the firmware for a how to, the sammy talks to the xbox360 thru the firmware chip. this is what i have been told by the code impailer anyway, this is why sammy (full writes) is pc programmable and hitachi (segmented write) is not, well the second is only tru if you dont know how to dodge the write routines.

[iquid-!ce]

QUOTE(LightningStruckMyXbox @ Jun 8 2006, 06:04 AM)

there is no way that devil360 would make first page news as many times as they have without being ligit. Can we please give our site admins more credit than we are. I could, no WOULD bet that they have some kind of prototype or picture/video of this chip in action. I don't think they would be stupid enough to announce a chip without proof.

just some more of my $.02 worth.

I remeber team ICE kept making front page news until about the fifth time of them saying theres another delay and the constant flames in the forum, only then did the mods say they would not put it on front page news until they had a sample or hard evidence, and all new threads to do with team ICE were closed straight away.
Of course they will put it on fron page news until it starts looking untrue, think of all the traffic coming to see if theres any new info, maybe clicking on one of the adds on the front page aswell  

[GeeZuzz]

QUOTE(LightningStruckMyXbox @ Jun 8 2006, 07:04 AM)

I don't think they would be stupid enough to announce a chip without proof.

Agree... Right now xbox-scene.com is the only reason i have a little believe in this devil thing.
First - they posts news about it all the time, and appears to get it before anyone else (directly from devil360)
Second - administrator posted here and said that they did not post news about the fake ICE mod, without even commenting this mod.

Pretty weird stuff.

£iquid-!ce: I'm not sure about that they would gamble on that. They might get a rush now, but if (when) it turns out that this was fake they will loose a lot of readers, including me. They can't be the trusted news source like they used to be.

[littlestevie360]

QUOTE(GeeZuzz @ Jun 8 2006, 04:47 PM)

Agree... Right now xbox-scene.com is the only reason i have a little believe in this devil thing.
First - they posts news about it all the time, and appears to get it before anyone else (directly from devil360)
Second - administrator posted here and said that they did not post news about the fake ICE mod, without even commenting this mod.

Pretty weird stuff.

£iquid-!ce: I'm not sure about that they would gamble on that. They might get a rush now, but if (when) it turns out that this was fake they will loose a lot of readers, including me. They can't be the trusted news source like they used to be.

agreed man its kinda trippin me out, altho i have a few problems with the info they have, there are flaws with it, and ther a people saying that the picture of the TSOP is proof but its not. just because the picture is called hacked hynix without LSA blah blah.jpeg dont mean anything i could take a pic of the ANA and say hacked ANA without lsa blah blah.jpg, my personal belief is that they are throwing people off the track so they can polish it.
i am sceptical sort of but at the same time they have a bit of authenticity as well (good vs evil lol)

only time will tell

[Ubiquitous Dead]

QUOTE(MR Buga Wuga @ Jun 8 2006, 01:28 AM)

Right okay, this is my VERY first post, Im popping my cherry!     <---My cum face

I have been stalking these forums on X-S and Xboxhackers for quite some time now and have never posted due to lack of time ( I work extermely unsociable hours and work 6 and even 7 day weeks ).  This is what I feel I have to get off my chest.  Have *A*N*Y* of you moaning unappreciative little BASTARDS ever worked on something SO much, literally your 'heart and soul' was put into it?  I have and I'm sure VIRTUALLY ALL of the more senior members have.  Now relate this to Devil360.com.  Yes, they did create hype hoping to give xb360 owners a ray of hope to boot "backups", unsigned code, and eventually lead the way to run linux and media centers etc at a time when not many had post good news for the xb360 scene.  Devil360.com created the hype, and THEY ABOVE ALL WILL FEEL MOST DISAPPOINTED, more so than the screaming little brats on these forums! They wanted to release a product and of course they wanted to cash in - thats what business' are all about - TO MAKE MONEY! Now ALL of you pessimists out there answer this truthfully and honestly .. Q. Would pictures and/or videos and/or specific info really have made that much difference to your pessimism? I don't think it would.  I imagine hundreds of thousands if not millions of people tried accessing devil360.com on 06-06-06 and nearly ALL felt anxious and let down by the devil360.com team for not having a working product.  Relate that to the world - Q. How many of us have bought "faulty" products at a price above £50 / $30 ? I do ALL the time and I'm sick of it. I feel many companies release products FAR too prematurely without going through strict quality control leaving the end consumer disappointed and let down AFTER PARTING WITH MONEY! NO SINGLE PERSON HAS PARTED WITH *ANY* MONEY - and Devil360.com team have certainly not asked for any! So why the bitching?! Now would you rather Devil360.com take their time and ensure their product is all it promises to be AND more (meaning a delay in their products release), or would you rather have something that may or may not work in your hands now? I know what I would go for...

Best posting i read so far in this thread! Thumbs up Dude.

QUOTE(mr_wall @ Jun 8 2006, 01:48 AM)

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Exactly they created hype, but hype my friend is useless.

Hype is not Useless AT ALL!
1. It fuel's forum threads, just like this one.
2. And most important, it fuel's people, company's, hackers, inventors and all other people in knowledge of making mod's and hacks, to create stuff. Which means, that if this whole thing really is a hoax, then believe me, someone will come up with a modchip sooner, than they would have without this "hype"

[Darkness_au]

sniff..sniff..  is that a steaming pile of bullshit i smell ?

I think so,   no diags,  no pics,  no info..   nothing..

Ill still be the 1st to cheer if its true,   but c'mon..   anyone serious would at least have something up to back the claim..

They give no info or specifics at all..

Dodgy.

[Dark_Neo]

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just because the picture is called hacked hynix without LSA blah blah.jpeg dont mean anything i could take a pic of the ANA and say hacked ANA without lsa blah blah.jpg

This is interesting. I'm positive this is an old picture of the Hynix chip (does anyone else get the urge to call it the Hymen chip? ) if so, why would they rename it like that unless they were just trying to fake things? I personally want to be open minded, but this should be discussed since it is a bit strange. Especially since the picture doesn't actually contain anything "odd", why take a photo of a chip that's been modded with no obvious change and name it so specifically? It just seems too strange to me.


Edit: Oh and as for Apache version and the error page: I always use version 1.3.3, as most people do, because when it hit version 2 critical changes caused some things to not work, although modules like the PHP module now have versions that work with versions 2+ there's still a bit of apprehension for most people to switch. And have you not heard of custom error pages? That's a very common custom error page layout, simple, small, but informative.

[Dark_Neo]

The error pages comment was directed at someone several pages back. Arch0n reminded me about it.

According to discussion on free60.org some of the boot code/hypervisor may be on the Hynix TSOP, but it's encrypted, so unless Devil360 team managed to either A ) sniff out the encryption and decryption keys to modify code inside the TSOP, or B ) sniff out the decryption key and found away to disable decryption (so they could store non-encrypted data on the TSOP).

The way I see it the data in the TSOP is encrypted with a per Xbox key stored in the processor, to avoid a hack once - run anywhere attack. If they managed to get the processor to give up it's key (maybe using the programmable shaders to get access to the CPU registers somehow? although I doubt the key would be being processed while those shaders are in use, probably only once-on-boot processing) then they'd be able to decrypt/encrypt data on the TSOP. Problem is getting the key, MS didn't include a nice little "GiveUsEncryptionKey" processor command

[littlestevie360]

QUOTE(Dark_Neo @ Jun 8 2006, 09:31 PM)

The error pages comment was directed at someone several pages back. Arch0n reminded me about it.

According to discussion on free60.org some of the boot code/hypervisor may be on the Hynix TSOP, but it's encrypted, so unless Devil360 team managed to either A ) sniff out the encryption and decryption keys to modify code inside the TSOP, or B ) sniff out the decryption key and found away to disable decryption (so they could store non-encrypted data on the TSOP).

The way I see it the data in the TSOP is encrypted with a per Xbox key stored in the processor, to avoid a hack once - run anywhere attack. If they managed to get the processor to give up it's key (maybe using the programmable shaders to get access to the CPU registers somehow? although I doubt the key would be being processed while those shaders are in use, probably only once-on-boot processing) then they'd be able to decrypt/encrypt data on the TSOP. Problem is getting the key, MS didn't include a nice little "GiveUsEncryptionKey" processor command

Thats not a proven fact that any of that information is actually on the TSOP. but if there is i think its just a passcode to say hey look at me im authorised to be used on this system. also for decrypting this data im sure M$ learned from bunny not to pass the decrpytion key down a bus outside of the prossesor, the information would more likely be transfered into an area that cannot be easily probed then decrypted and prossesed as for with the per-box key i doubt M$ have the key in the registers, remember one of the features of the PPC core 4-way lockable caches, most likely is that this key never leaves that cache but instead the bootcode runs thru the cache to be decrypted then the caches are locked away nicely protecting that key after that point, also the bios is most likely attached to this cache area so that the data can not be sniffed

BTW: dont take this personally anyone who is actually involved in the free60 project, i have this to say about them; yes they get alot of acurite information on how the system works, they do not completly get it right and have even exagerated in some cases.

EDIT: also if they could get that per-box key out of the CPU they could get the boot-strap, and with the boot-strap + per-box decryption key they could decrypt and decompile/ reverse engineer it. doing so would mean a lot more could have been done sooner

[Dark_Neo]

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Thats not a proven fact that any of that information is actually on the TSOP. but if there is i think its just a passcode to say hey look at me im authorised to be used on this system. also for decrypting this data im sure M$ learned from bunny not to pass the decrpytion key down a bus outside of the prossesor, the information would more likely be transfered into an area that cannot be easily probed then decrypted and prossesed as for with the per-box key i doubt M$ have the key in the registers, remember one of the features of the PPC core 4-way lockable caches, most likely is that this key never leaves that cache but instead the bootcode runs thru the cache to be decrypted then the caches are locked away nicely protecting that key after that point, also the bios is most likely attached to this cache area so that the data can not be sniffed

BTW: dont take this personally anyone who is actually involved in the free60 project, i have this to say about them; yes they get alot of acurite information on how the system works, they do not completly get it right and have even exagerated in some cases.

EDIT: also if they could get that per-box key out of the CPU they could get the boot-strap, and with the boot-strap + per-box decryption key they could decrypt and decompile/ reverse engineer it. doing so would mean a lot more could have been done sooner

Hmmm thought as much, I don't pretend to know how doing this would be possible, just speculating. Getting to the data inside the CPU is really the holy grail of 360 hacking.

Free60 project seems to be at a complete standstill as far as I can tell. To me it makes sense to store the bulkier parts of bootcode inside the TSOP, encrypted with the per Xbox key, decrypting it inside the processor, no external signals to probe. I'm not really sure what's involved with the booting of the 360 (specifically how much space that would take up) but I remember space was a critical issue for boot code in the previous Xbox (leading to most of the mistakes) so to me it sounds likely that they only put the really secure things inside the processor, the rest would have to be in another chip, the ATI chip already has a load of stuff to do anyway, so TSOP seems plausible to me. Although thinking from a security point of view, if it couldn't be fit in the processor the ATI chip is the best place for it, the bus speeds are too high for most equipment to probe.

Where are you getting your information from btw? If Free60 is a slightly "tainted" source I better not base all my understanding from the information there. I tend to stay away from forums because they get so bogged down with rubbish.

[drpolish]

did anyone even get their hands on the XEXDK? What unsigned code would we boot anyway? XBE's need emulation. This will just be for backups even though we have firmware booters.

[LightningStruckMyXbox]

QUOTE(Darkness_au @ Jun 8 2006, 03:24 AM)

sniff..sniff..  is that a steaming pile of bullshit i smell ?

I think so,   no diags,  no pics,  no info..   nothing..

Ill still be the 1st to cheer if its true,   but c'mon..   anyone serious would at least have something up to back the claim..

They give no info or specifics at all..

Dodgy.

They might have given it to the xbox-scene admins. That is a highly likely scenario.