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[chilin_dude]

Hope it's true!
but doubt it.

[voidunknown]

Seeing is believing.
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's nothing but speculation.

[Serious Sam]

QUOTE(Gunfingers @ Dec 20 2005, 05:57 PM)

You're kidding, right?  It took about a year to crack the Xbox - a little less - and longer to have useful chips available at retail.  And this was pretty much a standard x86 architecture.

I just don't buy that anyone could have cracked the 360 security yet - especially in a widely applicable manner.  Spong is always posting "made up crap" as "rumors" that become "stories".

It was 6 months after the original Xbox release when we saw the first modchips. They were homebrew 32 pin eeproms and we also had the Enigmah/Extender chip with 28 wires. Look up the old news on xbox-scene and you'll see it around May 2002

[sha]

Sponge is hype and hogwash.  No release group has even leaked any advancement like this story.  

This story sounds like a challenge for hackers to bring the best to the table with all the advancements made to the original Xbox.

I would feel pretty stupid if sponge knew something I did not.

[unspoiledpuma]

Stop comparing xbox vs xbox360 in term of hacking, it doesnt meen it's not true because the xbox takes more time to be hacked (6 month) dont forget peeps that hackers have more experience with ms stuff and all others consoles. The console hacker scene is way larger than 3 years later, more experience more stuff, encountered more problems bla bla bla. onr big mistake M$ does it's to say that their console is "unhackable" the probably the worst thing to say to the hacker seen. it has a bunch of hacker trying to prove the opposite. Personnaly im sceptikal with this news but i dont say it.s a fake, i just wait and see   But i think presently the best option is the DVD Drive Hack , personnaly i think it's a excellent idea! ( it's doesnt run unsigned codes but it can run backup witch is a excellent news!!   )

[Heet]

It will be months not weeks.  They could have at least made it sound credible.

[unspoiledpuma]

QUOTE(Gunfingers @ Dec 21 2005, 03:09 AM)

I agree that comparing hacking the Xbox to hacking the 360 isn't reasonable.  It would be better to compare hacking the 360 to the Gamecube, if a comparison is to be made.  But regardless of the hardware, number of people attempting to crack it, and experience of the minds being put to it, to throw out any estimate regarding how long it will take to crack the 360 is ridiculous.  Somebody could stumble across a flaw in the security model tonight and have an exploit announced tomorrow, or the box could take decades to crack.  Not enough is know to make any type of estimate at this time.

One thing you have wrong - MS isn't calling the 360 "unhackable", quite the contrary, actually.  MS engineers have publicly said that they know it will be cracked someday, they've just tried to make it as difficult as possible and to take steps to prevent a universal crack that can be exploited.

You cannot compare Gamecube and xbox360, Gamecube was using a different media (small dvd) the hype was not the same, not like the xbox360 wich is a important thigs to consider For modchip develloper the gamecube market  wasnt to big so no compagnie was giving a lot of work ad time on this considaring the hype for a modchip for the gamecube.

[NarutoKun]

maybe a worker in one of those factory's in chain leaked some very important info for big buxx?

[sub]

In the early days of xbox hacking, just prior to modchips appearing, there was a hack on the interface to the DVD drive, that may just have been resurrected for the 360. Modchips appeared out of know where at the same time, making this approach a dead end, so work was never finished.

It was effectively a fake DVD drive. The cable was unplugged from the DVD drive, and plugged into a circuit board, which from memory had a Xilinx FPGA and network adapter (and supporting components). The device would pretend to be IDE DVD drive, but would send requests for data across the network to fetch chunks of data from a PC holding the large DVD image files. This would work because there was actually no protection on the actual DVD IDE bus. The IDE requests effectively just send commands like "seek to this location", "read this much data", and these were instead faked to return data from the PC across the network. All the data returned is the same as the data that would be return from a real DVD drive containing the real disk.

This type of mod cant be used to run homebrew code, but can be used to play backed up game DVDs.

A completed mod along these lines would probably have a switch to either use the real DVD drive, or the network'd fake drive.

The comment about the use of standard DVD drive makes me wonder if this was the same thing

 

What do you all think?

[jimjom]

oh dudes, I've already got one, right here next to my psp chip.

[frOOt lOOps]

Let's for get about all the techincal spec's and how hard this was/is suposed to be to hack. there is only 1 thing that matters and that is driving MS and mod chip makers, that is MONEY. MS doesn't want to lose money on piracy on these xbox 360's but they are only going to spend so much money on security. Why because ALMOST everything eventually gets hacked. nothing is 100 % secure. 1 month sounds a little off but the onyl reason why this is happening is because of money waiting to sell mod chips so again 1 month doesnt sound bad. A big leak could have happened. Don't forget smart XX had those devkits back in auagust and i am sure other mod teams got some head start. There is alot of money to be made on modchips for the xbox 360. this is probally why alot of software cracks are not talked about is because they are not profitibale. All that matters is there is alot of money to be made for someone to mod the 360 and somehow someone or group is going to go after that award of making money on modchips. When xbox 1 came out there wasn't alot of hype and people werent so sure about. people have been druling over these 360's. there has been alot of attention and alot of modders are going to be looking for mod chips. Someone is going to sell mod chips to these modders because there is money to be made. A mod team could afford to spend alot of money and resources on this project because all the money waiting to be made. My point being, it is going to be modded because there is alot of money to be made on XBOX 360 mod chips. Final. I don't think MS is going to spend alot of money on updating security to find out it will just be hacked again. If they update then the hackers are once again in a race to start making money to mod the new version so the can sell modchips to their consumers with the updated "360's". psp's are a little different because it was only software mods. software mods there isn't alot of money so it is more hobbyst's. I dont think it is possible to fit sometype of mod chip into a PSP. XBOX 360 there will be room for a mod chip and it is quite a bit more popular than a PSP.

[frOOt lOOps]

well this thread had turned out to not be techincal i dont know why it was posted here. it is speculation on a new article from another website. doesnt seem like techincal 360 hacking talk to me. i didnt mean it like that i was just trying to prove a point Vegita.

[krackheadbill]

ahahahahhaha fuck that who cares...... lets worry about getting a 360 first then we can worry about the chip yo......hahaaahhhahhahahhaahhhaah

[InterestedHacker]

I am calling BS on this as well.  If it turns out to be factual great, but in the court of 360 mod chips, a mod chip is guilty until proven innocent, if you see what I mean?

Besides until it becomes mass market, or the info leaks, nothing changes here.

EDIT: Would be funny if it was true...  Statistically I have more chance of being able to purchase a mod chip for a 360, than the actual console.   AND, it's less likely to have defects =D

[ze_olc]

two letters >>> BS

also, that article mentions that some modchip maker is currently designing a chip. i doubt that any of the current chip maker is able to hack the 360...