Topic: Kawa-x ...virtual Memory? (Read 1180 times)

crazymike · « **Reply #135 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:12:00 PM »

I do believe you have the right to tinker with something for your own personal use. However, nobody has the right to steal secrets on how something works and sell it right back only slightly modified.

If I write a software program and market it, I do not want some schmuck changing a few graphics, or hacking it slightly and selling it back, making profit off my work. He may have put some work into it, but ultimately the majority of the research and development was done by me.

Now I do think the DMCA is being done in wrong ways when it comes to say writing a program that you mentioned that helps handicapped people access a commercial program better for example. But nobody has the right to take a commercial product and sell it back with your name on it with minor changes.

And you do have the right to open up your xbox and mod it, or tinker with it, but just because it is *your* Xbox now does not mean you have the right to do illegal things with it (such as copying games) just because you are using *your* product to do it.

And I do think the notion that progress has been stalled is a little exaggerated. Open Office is a perfectly free alternative to MS Office and it can export files into any of MS's formats, yet MS is not using the DMCA to go after them. We are hardly living under a Nazi state.

If there is anything that stalls progress, it is the lack of commercial competition. Only less than a decade ago, Intel had hardly any competition and progress moved slowly. However, thanks to AMD we have gone from 400 MHZ CPU's to 3,000 MHZ now in a matter of 5-6 years. This is tremendous. And why is this progressing? Not because AMD is making chips out of the goodness of their heart, but because they are out to make money and capitalism encourages this progress.

A good example that money encourages faster progress is to look at Connectix Virtual Game Station. The emulator, other than having no 3d acceleration support, is much better than the freeware emulators that are out there. It is amazing what a programmer can do when he is actually getting paid. I know some may not believe this, but if there had never been any big software or gaming companies, I truly believe we would still be playing 16-bit games.

Pjoeloe · « **Reply #136 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:34:00 PM »

whoops sorry

Iriez · « **Reply #137 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:39:00 PM »

QUOTE (crazymike @ Jul 28 2003, 03:25 PM)

The law is not stupid, MS is evil because they want to protect their investment? I think the law is about right. If a company writes software, they have the right to protect their code. I do not buy into any of this "everything should be open source" BS. If I invent a new toaster, should I have to give up the schematics to my competitors? No, make them figure it out on their own.

Have you even read the DMCA?

"Make them figure it out on their own" goes strongly against the DCMA.

Thats the *entire* point of the law. You cannot purposefully circumvent copyright protection.

If you believe you have the right to 'tinker with what you own' then you would be against the DMCA, as in accordance to the law, doing that would be a illegal act.

The DMCA has *nothing* to do with 'giving out your sources'. Are you confusing it and the GPL ? I think you have the jelly beans mixed up buddy.

enigmatl · « **Reply #138 on:** July 28, 2003, 04:05:00 PM »

QUOTE (Iriez @ Jul 28 2003, 05:58 PM)

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Jul 28 2003, 02:53 AM)

I'm afraid you don't read license agreements too well. Wheather you agree or not, when you modify your xbox, you are infringing on the holder of the copywrite. Tech TV explained so in their exploiting the xbox week so dont' even try to go there.

I wont even bother replying because quite possibly that was the lamest thing i've ever heard.

The guys on techtv are morons.

PS- I dont give a damn about the DMCA ...its a horrible law that has yet to have a large history in court. I would give a good guess it will be thrown out within the next ten years.

http://anti-dmca.org/

Ok guys, here's the whole hypocrite philosophy in a nutshell in case you didn't get it from that post, I'll spell it out for you all. Read and laugh along.

The hypocrite's side of this:

"I exploit, I hack, and I probably even copy games. It's my right and my privilege. I don't care if I'm stealing because MS is evil and the laws are stupid. They have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with their xbox because it's not theirs. It's mine. I bought it! Now the author of that emulator??? This guy is my god. I worship him. Don't tell me that he too is an exploiter because that doesn't matter. I love him and will defend him with my life. If he says don't run a certain game on his emulator nevermind doing so is doing exactly what he does - I will not run the game. And if anyone else should discuss it, I shall flame them to the end of the world because I like him and his emulator but I hate MS and the laws and that's how I expect everyone else to feel. If they don't, they are LAME!"

deusprogrammer · « **Reply #139 on:** July 28, 2003, 04:11:00 PM »

Getting Kawa to detect ROMs is kinda a pain. For some reason the configurable ROMPath.ini file doesn't seem to be for anything other than decoration (lol). Just leave it set to D:ROMS and put the ROMs into the ..KawaRoms directory. As far as decrypting ROMs it's as easy as putting them through the PC version of Kwaks with the setting under the Tools menu turned on.

As for all you people arguing over this wonderful emulator, and whether you should hack it or not, or if it's illegal, or whatever...you are all just stupid, sub-standard human beings with nothing better to do that call each other names and argue over a trivial topic. Just do whatever you want and be done with it. And if you are going to debate, there are ways to debate a subject instead of name calling, repeated use of the word "gay", and making pointless, unfounded, or uneducated arguements.

It makes me mad that just any asshole, idiot, or flamer can become a moderator. You all seem to use your power like a kid who has found his dads gun. You all call people stupid more than most newbies call people stupid, and general you just suck. Especially Ben Jeremy and his smart ass comments and ugly fucking porno avatar. Go ahead and ban me you stupid moderator fuckers. I rarely come here for the forums anymore, I come for the news. I avoid the forums because it has become overrun by assholes (moderators and forum goers alike). The only people I have respect for anymore are the humble newbies who kindly ask questions and still offer intelligent ideas (barring the 12 year olds who keep asking for PS2 emulators).

dazdastardly · « **Reply #140 on:** July 28, 2003, 04:22:00 PM »

it wasnt meant in any disrespect to the author at all... it's just i think we all got different views on how we should repsect software... you think MS really wanted you to add new menu options on the MS dashboard?

Mage · « **Reply #141 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:03:00 PM »

QUOTE (deusprogrammer @ Jul 28 2003, 05:11 PM)

Getting Kawa to detect ROMs is kinda a pain. For some reason the configurable ROMPath.ini file doesn't seem to be for anything other than decoration (lol). Just leave it set to D:ROMS and put the ROMs into the ..KawaRoms directory. As far as decrypting ROMs it's as easy as putting them through the PC version of Kwaks with the setting under the Tools menu turned on.

As for all you people arguing over this wonderful emulator, and whether you should hack it or not, or if it's illegal, or whatever...you are all just stupid, sub-standard human beings with nothing better to do that call each other names and argue over a trivial topic. Just do whatever you want and be done with it. And if you are going to debate, there are ways to debate a subject instead of name calling, repeated use of the word "gay", and making pointless, unfounded, or uneducated arguements.

It makes me mad that just any asshole, idiot, or flamer can become a moderator. You all seem to use your power like a kid who has found his dads gun. You all call people stupid more than most newbies call people stupid, and general you just suck. Especially Ben Jeremy and his smart ass comments and ugly fucking porno avatar. Go ahead and ban me you stupid moderator fuckers. I rarely come here for the forums anymore, I come for the news. I avoid the forums because it has become overrun by assholes (moderators and forum goers alike). The only people I have respect for anymore are the humble newbies who kindly ask questions and still offer intelligent ideas (barring the 12 year olds who keep asking for PS2 emulators).

Quite funny, you talk about people being childish and idiotic for all the name calling, and yet you finish off your post doing the exact same thing.

Way to discredit any valid points you had in your post!

dazdastardly · « **Reply #142 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:06:00 PM »

QUOTE (dmb062082 @ Jul 29 2003, 03:03 AM)

For the record there was a thread very similar to this which was removed because it contradicted the forum admin but i will post it here again one more time.

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<dmb062082> how often do you step into a arcade?
<Iriez> I dont
<dmb062082> ok....
<dmb062082> so lets just say this....
<dmb062082> soul calibur 3 drops and for some odd reason it gets its 1 game port and it makes its way to the xbox and its 100%... would your morals hold you back on playing it?
<dmb062082> mine wouldnt
<dmb062082> keep in mind this (imaginary soul calibur 3) wqs derived from the arcade
<dmb062082> was*
<Iriez> See, to me, this has nothing to do with what i do or dont play
<Iriez> this has to do solely with respecting the authors wishes
<Iriez> nothing more, nothing less.

right about there its the old iriez we all know but then......

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<dmb062082> right... lets say it made its way to a multi emu and the coder left this specific rom out... would you play it if you had the urge?
<dmb062082> its a yes or a no... me i would in a heart beat
<dmb062082> i take it you would not because of the coders wishes
<Iriez> Like i said, it has nothing to do with me. I might play it , i might not...what i do doesnt matter

Thus stating how iriez really feels about the whole topic and if he wanted to play kof2002 he would and no one would stop him.... please dont let this two faced admin fool you thank you very much!

stop it already... mods are always right! ... you wont win

dazdastardly · « **Reply #143 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:14:00 PM »

XDAWG · « **Reply #144 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:18:00 PM »

XDAWG

Iriez · « **Reply #145 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:20:00 PM »

dmb: quit spewing your trash in the wrong threads. This is exactly how the other thread started...you spewing your trash in a new thead because the old thread was gone.

Go away.

Iriez · « **Reply #146 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:22:00 PM »

QUOTE (XDAWG @ Jul 28 2003, 08:18 PM)

You said it yourself. If it doesnt matter what you do why should it matter what everyone else does?

XDAWG

As i said, it doesnt have to do with me, or you playing the game. Thats your own personal issue. However spilling out to the public how you hacked a fine release is unacceptable.

Iriez · « **Reply #147 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:23:00 PM »

QUOTE (DeadJB @ Jul 28 2003, 08:21 PM)

If it were taking from GPL-ed code, then I really see no reason for the author to even think about complaining, as he's not releasing his own source (which he is supposed to do under GPL). You can't get much more PC-grassroots than the GPL...

It is not, and it was not.

Kawaks did most of the original NeoGeo work guys. It was around BEFORE FBA even was. Do a little research ; )

dmb062082 · « **Reply #148 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:34:00 PM »

QUOTE (XDAWG @ Jul 29 2003, 03:18 AM)

<dmb062082> right... lets say it made its way to a multi emu and the coder left this specific rom out... would you play it if you had the urge?
<dmb062082> its a yes or a no... me i would in a heart beat
<dmb062082> i take it you would not because of the coders wishes
<Iriez> Like i said, it has nothing to do with me. I might play it , i might not...what i do doesnt matter

You said it yourself. If it doesnt matter what you do why should it matter what everyone else does?

XDAWG

EDIT/ I just dont see why everyone is so heated about this subject? Imean shit everyone here is here for the same reason hmmm maybe modding? I dont really takes sides on this issue about the newer games but I would like to play them because as other people have stated some of us live to far away to play them in an arcade. This subject has me mixed

XDAWG

please let this be known.... because iriez is hand deleting all the threads now. Now enough about iriez being two faced lets get back to the topic at hand.

This has to be one of the best emus i have seen ported to the xbox and for only one reason..... a loophole past the dreaded file size. I would honestly like to shake the coders hand for letting me play a 80mb rom on my xbox to perfection.

Iriez · « **Reply #149 on:** July 28, 2003, 06:36:00 PM »

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The hypocrite's side of this:

"I exploit, I hack, and I probably even copy games. It's my right and my privilege.

I dont exploit, nor hack, nor am i a very adamant 'game copier' ..I happen to own quite a few games buddy ; ) Im into this scene mainly for homebrew. It is not my right or my privledge..quite the opposite infact.

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I don't care if I'm stealing because MS is evil and the laws are stupid.

I wont steal from MS if it is directly harmful to them. Me using their XDK to create a 3d hello world on my xbox does not hurt them. I do what i feel is right, not what uncle sam tells me to. Sorry if i am not a zombie that feels my government is some higher intelligence beyond my comprehension.

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They have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with their xbox because it's not theirs. It's mine. I bought it!

That is 100% correct. It IS mine. I DID buy it, and i DO own my xbox. Do you think i paid for the xbox as a 'service' ? Who are you trying to kid here?

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Now the author of that emulator??? This guy is my god. I worship him. Don't tell me that he too is an exploiter because that doesn't matter. I love him and will defend him with my life. If he says don't run a certain game on his emulator nevermind doing so is doing exactly what he does - I will not run the game.

He is not a 'exploiter'. He is a developer. Ask how many people here fully appreciate what he did for us, and i think you will find out that there is quite a large number of people who disagree with you. To clarify a issue you apparently cannot grasp - He never said "Dont run these games" ...he instead just disabled the feature to play them. He did it out of respect, he did it for his own reasons. You can go and play that game to your hearts content if you figure out how ...its not going to hurt anyone. But you come here and slam the author in the face by posting how cool you are and how you got it to work on his code, after he specifically left the option out....then you are a arrogant little child with no respect.

As a moderator it is my job to keep these forums clean. If some kid trashes it up by disrespecting the kawa-x author, then i will delete, close, or edit it. Xantium wholehearted agree's with that situation.

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