xboxscene.org forums

Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail  (Read 205 times)

inspuration

  • Archived User
  • Jr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 65

QUOTE(jhon_scott @ Aug 5 2010, 01:23 PM) View Post


If this is real that is crazy. Downloading now.

EDIT: From what I see so far this looks legit.

EDIT2: Loading the doc file crashes Word for some reason. Im going to see  about converting it to a pdf.

EDIT 3: Holy fuck I don`t understand most of what this document says but it definitely looks legit. Where did you find this?
Logged

Morning Call

  • Archived User
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 158
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 10:09:00 AM »

assuming you do do all this work, theres still a missing document so it can't be completed without previous knowledge.
Logged

njmbb8

  • Archived User
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 149
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 10:16:00 AM »

does anyone know wht it means by "stuff"
Logged

red_ring_of_box

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 410
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 10:19:00 AM »

QUOTE(inspuration @ Aug 5 2010, 11:25 AM) View Post

If this is real that is crazy. Downloading now.

EDIT: From what I see so far this looks legit.

EDIT2: Loading the doc file crashes Word for some reason. Im going to see  about converting it to a pdf.

EDIT 3: Holy fuck I don`t understand most of what this document says but it definitely looks legit. Where did you find this?


Try opening it in Wordpad, works for me.

Same here it looks legit but I barely have a clue as to what it is talking about. I can only assume that the acronyms in the document are the following:

BOM: Bill of Materials

PCBA: Printed Circuit Board Assembly(kind of easy to guess that one lol)

ECO: still can't find any info as to what that is.

Agile doc D02652: http://www.agilemode...cumentation.htm

I'm guess it would have to be a document in one of the books there perhaps that we would have to refer to.

STUFF/UNSTUFF: I tried to look up what it is these terms mean but I haven't found anything.

Remove X812632-001 and replace with X812631-001: I can't find anything about what these things are besides the fact that they are flash chips. Same with all the other remove/replace instructions.

Also I found while searching for the parts a google document titled: FACTORY REPAIR ACTION  FOR ERROR CODE 0x810E1FF1 that is very similar to this doc but has a few more steps in it, though the Doc's filename is also XDK.doc.

http://webcache.goog...r...=clnk&gl=us

Well I hope someone smarter than I can elaborate a bit more as I am very interested in seeing how the process is done, as I cannot understand the document fully just yet.
Logged

red_ring_of_box

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 410
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 10:26:00 AM »

Ah, thank you Morning Call that makes perfect sense. smile.gif
Logged

ImRickJamesB1tch

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 306
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 10:28:00 AM »

Look at the properties of the doc:

Title: Factory Repair Action: For Error Code 0x810E1FF1
Author: Emily Ascolese

Very random indeed...
Logged

red_ring_of_box

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 410
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 10:40:00 AM »

QUOTE(ImRickJamesB1tch @ Aug 5 2010, 12:28 PM) View Post

Look at the properties of the doc:

Title: Factory Repair Action: For Error Code 0x810E1FF1
Author: Emily Ascolese

Very random indeed...


Weird its the same properties in that google doc I posted, When I saved it to my computer and checked the properties of the doc it has the same info.

Another question I have now is which one is the right one, the original or this edited one posted here?

Edit: Nice find inspuration! This seems to really validate that this is legit, but why would a Microsoft employee even write a guide on how to make a retail console into a Dev? Maybe someone is a little pissed off at Microsoft? lol.

here is here full profile link for reference:

http://www.linkedin....n/emilyascolese
Logged

inspuration

  • Archived User
  • Jr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 65
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 10:59:00 AM »

I'm looking at my xenon board right now trying to find the locations mentioned in the doc.

R1C4 is between the DVD Sata port and the southbridge. Can't miss it.
R1P2 is on the bottom side of the mobo between the sata pins and the southbridge.

J2B1 is one of the pads you solder to to flash a JTAG. heres a pic: IPB Image

J1D2 is the other pad you solder your LPT cable to. pictured here: IPB Image


R2D6 is one of the points that attaches to the right of the hynix chip. Heres a pic of the general area IPB Image

U2E1 is a trace coming from the southbridge that is just below the hynix chip on the left side.

R2D5 is a resistor coming out the right side of the hynix chip as well.
Logged

njmbb8

  • Archived User
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 149
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 12:01:00 PM »

i'm not ruling this document as fake quite yet but does anyone find it fishy that it is this users first post?
Logged

bamarquez226

  • Archived User
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 247
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 12:32:00 PM »

QUOTE(inspuration @ Aug 5 2010, 11:12 AM) View Post

I found the exact same document posted on a chineese hacking site called a9vg.com
This is probably where he got it. The document also checks out since it was made by a micosoft employee.


I'm like njmbb8, I'm a little weary of the validity of the doc. I question the authenticity of it just because it can be easily written to look legit, and back dated. As well as use terminology that there is no known reference to, i.e. MS id numbers for chips.
Logged

red_ring_of_box

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 410
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 12:42:00 PM »

njmbb8- Perhaps this person is a frequenter here but doesn't want any trouble and made this account to post it here, or the leaker(I can't imagine Microsoft officially releasing this to the public) thought here would be a great place to send it.

inspuration-  that's the same document that I linked to here:

http://webcache.goog...r...=clnk&gl=us

if you want to view it in your browser.

Also thanks for the pics.

I still don't know what the flash chips X812632-001, X810284-001, X810283, X811906, X814013, are or where they even go, as well as all the other Xxxxxxx-xxx chips that need to be stuffed/unstuffed for the motherboard revisions. Or perhaps I'm just reading the document wrong.

Edit: Well I think I realize why I wasn't able to find any info about the X chips, or parts, because as Morning Call said we are missing the document that tells use what all those part IDs stand for, so I guess the BOMs for these part IDs are in the Agile doc D02652, which is also the document Morning Call said we are missing. Whether or not it is in that Document book is beyond me, but I'm leaning more towards it not being in there and more of it being a classified Microsoft document.
Logged

Morning Call

  • Archived User
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 158
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 02:55:00 PM »

QUOTE

Stuff R1C4 with X800601-001 RES,S/M,LF,1.0KOHM,5%,1/16W,0402 (was NO-STUFF) <1000ohm 1/16watt resistor

Unstuff R1P2 (was X800590-001 RES,S/M,LF,10KOHM,5%,1/16W,0402) <--- 10 000ohm 1/6watt resistor. these are the same resistors used for r6t3 and the ones beside the NAND itself (can be changed to convert a 16mb jasper to 256/512 or visa versa)

Stuff J2B1 with X804259-001  CONN,HDR,TH,LF,2X7,DUAL-ROW,VERT, PIN 14 KEYED,2.4 TAILS <-- 2 row by 7pin pin header vertical position (aka straight up)(14 pins) but pin 14 REMOVED (aka keyed) to limit inserting the wrong way. not sure what 2.4tails is, probably the spacing between pins?

Stuff J1D2 with X804260-001  CONN,HDR,TH,LF,2X5,DUAL-ROW,VERT, PIN 10 KEYED,2.4 <-- same as previous except 2x5 and pin10 removed/keyed. same 2.4tail (spacing?)

Stuff R2D6 with X800590-001  RES,S/M,LF,10KOHM,5%,1/16W,0402 <-- resistor. can be taken from R1P2 as its the exact same.

Stuff U2E1 with X802184-001  IC,S/M,MEM,LF,NAND,64MX8,TSOP48,SAMSUNG B-DIE <--- flash chip, 64mb. surface mount flash (same as existing) not sure what samsung b-die is, could be samsung flash chip

Unstuff R2D5 with X800590-001  RES,S/M,LF,10KOHM,5%,1/16W,0402 <-- 10 000ohm resistor again. same as other resistors)

Stuff R8B6 with X800427-001  RES,S/M,LF,2KOHM,1%,1/16W,0402 <--- 2000 ohm 1/16watt resistor with %1 tolerance (not %5 like normal)

Stuff R8A5 with X800601-001  RES,S/M,LF,1.0KOHM,5%,1/16W,0402 <--- 1000 ohm %5 1/16watt resistor.

Stuff Q8B6 with X801037-001  BJT,S/M,LF,NPN,SWITCH,2N2222,SOT23 <-- some sort of transistor? not sure exactly. its a switch of some variation. 2n2222????

Stuff D8B4 with X801078-001  LED,LF,GREEN,QTLP601C-AG,0603 <--- green led? must be some sort of debugging LED?

When building into a console, stuff the following Lamprey cables following standard installation procedures:
X801796-001 CABLE ASSEMBLY, MOBO, LAMPREY, SMC KERNEL DEBUG PORT <-- standard devkit pigtails i assume for j1d2 and j2b1 pin headers
X801797-001 CABLE ASSEMBLY, MOBO, LAMPREY, SPI PORT <-- standard devkit pigtails i assume for j1d2 and j2b1 pin headers


the 10 000ohm resistors appear to be the resistors that are swapped to switch from a small block nand to a big block nand (without consulting my diagrams)... afaik to go from 16mb to big block, you removed one resistor and put two somewhere else). this was a trick performed for people with big block jaspers before xbr3 came out for them.
Logged

inspuration

  • Archived User
  • Jr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 65
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2010, 03:57:00 PM »

CODE
6) Reset the console type from Retail to Dev (Agile doc H03710)
RETAIL                   00000002
DEVELOPMENT              00000001


And what the hell is 'Agile'?
Logged

red_ring_of_box

  • Archived User
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 410
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 04:36:00 PM »

QUOTE
How would one go about doing this though:
CODE
6) Reset the console type from Retail to Dev (Agile doc H03710)
RETAIL                   00000002
DEVELOPMENT              00000001



I have no idea what this does but I can only assume at boot up it is used to pick between booting the retail on-board nand, and the 64mb nand you installed when the console first starts up. Maybe it is similar to how the Cygnos V2 chooses which nand to boot by using some kind of jtag interface(thus the pin headers).
Which makes me think, could we do an XD card mod and just use a 64mb card for those of us with 16mb nands? It sounds like it would work if maybe we made a custom breadboard with a switch to enable/disable big block and onboard nands.

QUOTE
And what the hell is 'Agile'?

I believe Agile is a kind of documentation that allows you to explain what the project you are working on does in enough detail for people to understand it enough to use it.

http://www.agilemode...cumentation.htm

The link above will explain more.

QUOTE
How would one go about doing this though:
CODE
6) Reset the console type from Retail to Dev (Agile doc H03710)
RETAIL                   00000002
DEVELOPMENT              00000001



I have no idea what this does but I can only assume at boot up it is used to pick between booting the retail on-board nand, and the 64mb nand you installed when the console first starts up. Maybe it is similar to how the Cygnos V2 chooses which nand to boot by using some kind of jtag interface(thus the pin headers).
Which makes me think, could we do an XD card mod and just use a 64mb card for those of us with 16mb nands? It sounds like it would work if maybe we made a custom breadboard with a switch to enable/disable big block and onboard nands.

QUOTE
And what the hell is 'Agile'?

I believe Agile is a kind of documentation that allows you to explain what the project you are working on does in enough detail for people to understand it enough to use it.

http://www.agilemode...cumentation.htm

The link above will explain more.
Logged

inspuration

  • Archived User
  • Jr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 65
A Document About How To Build A Xbox 360 Dev Console Using The Retail
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 08:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(Morning Call @ Aug 6 2010, 12:41 AM) View Post

its a whole other work instruction.

guaranteed, its how to blow certain efuses to convert from retail to dev.
odds are, you could probably convert retail to dev but not dev to retail.

Who cares, dev is waaaaaaaay better than retail.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2