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[phistyle]

too little too late...this would of been good like a year or 2 ago but I really don't see this as going that big anytime soon...homebrew? you might as well build a cheap computer and run all the linux or emulators u want and all the media you throw at it...pc components are hella cheap right now....

[MFD]

If they manage to get the 360 hacked completely, that will of course be wonderful.

However, I thought that the 1bl was stored inside the CPU in ROM (not flash)?  As such, how can they (MS) do a remote update?  Or is my information incorrect?

[ZakMcRofl]

To the ones crying about these news being "too late":
The hackers had a simple choice:
A) announce the hack before the update is out and risk showing their cards to MS (remember they couldn't know that MS already knew about it


OR

B) Wait and see if MS fixes the issue and THEN warn as quickly as possible.
If MS doesn't fix, they can happily perfect it (and maybe find a way to get CPU key via this method) and then release it.

To me, B) is the obviously better choice. Besides, anyone who cares about Live security and/or homebrew will always hold off updating for at least a few days. It's not their fault that you're addicted to updates



Finally to everyone saying that "homebrew on 360 sucks" or "I'd rather play live". You're not getting the bigger picture here. They already stated that it will most likely allow us to get the CPU key which is required for downgrading, region changing and DVD key extraction.

Even if you never plan on using emulators or apps like XBMC on your 360, this is a VERY important bit of information about your 360. Down the road, it may allow booting games from HDD, loading the Live Kernel via Software (think Xbox1 softmods), turning the 360 into a full blown PC, allowing bigger harddisks then 120GB and so on.

DO NOT UPDATE, WAIT A FEW DAYS UNTIL WE KNOW MORE.

@somenutter: i estimated 90% would be fine because many people don't even play online and of those who do, not all are addicted enough to play every day. And the clever scene members always wait at least until the update has been confirmed to be save in regards to firmware mods.
I understand you're bitter but it really is nobody else's fault but yours.

This post has been edited by ZakMcRofl: Aug 11 2009, 10:53 PM

[LockmanSal]

too late , they should have released this info like at least a day before the official release, already update and my XBox360 is giving me 3 red lights with 0110 error code damn.  

[MFD]

QUOTE(phistyle @ Aug 11 2009, 02:50 PM)

too little too late...this would of been good like a year or 2 ago but I really don't see this as going that big anytime soon...homebrew? you might as well build a cheap computer and run all the linux or emulators u want and all the media you throw at it...pc components are hella cheap right now....

I think the biggest thing I see as being a possibility is the ability of installing games to the hard-drive (which could be a large, non-MS hard-drive) and being able to run them from the hard-drive without putting the original (or backup) into the DVD drive.  I see that as being very handy.

As for using the 360 for what would ordinarily be considered home-brew, I agree - PC's are generally more accessible and more powerful these days.

But I sure would love to have a cheap 1TB drive slapped onto my 360 with the ability to boot all my games directly from NXE without ever having to put the original in the DVD drive again.  That would be nice.

Who knows if things will ever progress that far, but I can dream.

[Heet]

Hahahaha I updated about 20 mins before I read this.  Nice.


Owell off to go get a hd xbmc jasper lol.  Oh the emu possibilities.


Thanks to all the genius that is making this possible!  



All my 360 games on the hard drive?  Yes please  

[scottmuller28]

Congrats to the team!! Don't worry there will be a solution for those who have updated, this is just the beginning. Once the vast majority of hackers have this installed the 360 will be analysed so closely and many new exploits will be discovered.. Just give it a few months!!!

This post has been edited by scottmuller28: Aug 11 2009, 11:18 PM

[Vejita]

BTW, do homebrew hackers have access to hardware acceleration via Xenos GPU or are we stuck with software drawing much like how Linux is on the PS3?

This post has been edited by Vejita: Aug 11 2009, 11:21 PM

[Mhawk134]

Well Glad I have a couple 360's that aren't hooked to live so that I can test this on whenever it gets released.

Hawk

[rolly poly]

i'm not sure why everyone is whining about it being "late"...

they released info as they saw fit, as is their right for putting in the effort. hell they didn't have to say a word to anyone until it was ready to go. they were doing everyone a favor, don't blame them for your actions.

so you updated already... suck it up and buy a new 360.

it's not like hacked kernels would be available from day one, or that most of you would have what you need on hand.

to me giving up something i've already paid for is not worth the *possibility* of having an exploit next week, and then waiting for someone else to hack a kernel to give us what we want.

looks like i might need to dust off my halo3 edition soon...

[weinerschnitzel]

This is very good news. It gives people like me a reason to go out and buy a 360. I personally don't like paying a fee to play with other people and i enjoy the old school console games much more than i do the new one.
If they announced what they were working on earlier on you can only imagine where it would go. Millions of people would be on their case on when its going to be released and how it works, yada yada. Also an early announcement will give a brighter light that M$ will notice and sabotage the vulnerability before it comes any closer to completion.
Furthermore, free60 would have to test out everything newer on top of developing a stable fool proof hack. Give them a break.

For those bitter about updating, wait and see if a solution comes up. I'm sure one will.

[scottmuller28]

I had a a inquiry 2 days ago of people playing zombie mode on cod4 and he claimed that this person on live was using cheats. He claimed that he could not kill the person or the dogs and he could super jump. The guy asked was this possible as they were bragging on live that they had a modded xbox. I told him that it was not possible. But now it makes sense. No wonder they brought out a update to block it. They have seen people cheating on live. So is it possible to use cheats on Live. I haven't played zombie mode on live and dont know if invincibility is part of the game.

This post has been edited by scottmuller28: Aug 11 2009, 11:40 PM

[somenutter]

i dont think a lot of people understand what im saying

the hackers that have a way of booting into linux or whatever didnt have to say how they are doing it, or how they are going to do it they could of just said wait! we might have something very soon so wait and see for a while, or if you dont wanna wait go ahead and play on live

anyone think thats to much to ask ?

im not going to buy another xbox for this because ive got a popcorn hour so i dont need xbmc enough to worry,
but it would of been nice to have been warned

QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:35 PM)

I had a a inquiry 2 days ago of people playing zombie mode on cod4 and he claimed that this person on live was using cheats. He claimed that he could not kill the person or the dogs and he could super jump. The guy asked was this possible as they were bragging on live that they had a modded xbox. I told him that it was not possible. But now it makes sense. No wonder they brought out a update to block it. They have seen people cheating on live. So is it possible to use cheats on Live. I haven't played zombie mode on live and dont know if invincibility is part of the game.

cod 4 doesnt have zombies its cod waw that has zombies

and as far as im aware the cheats for cod 4 and cod waw are done via the hdd and by changing your profile

[brokentwice]

Yes it is Def Fact that you can ( or shoudl i say could) Hack on COD on live.

IT was Fun to use when Someone had the hacks on in a zombie match cause THey had god mode and noclip and were able to bring you back Each time you died hah

But thats been patched now. IT had to do with hexing Strings On your Profile off your hard drive. And For sure would get you banned from what I heard.

As Far as For this.. i think that after all this time we are Starting to see people Get into the system. Which is a great thing. I dont think that They blocked The exploit Forever though. Being as Since There will be many people that will not update They will probably be able to find more exploits now since they will be in with Full control over the system Which means they Can Test Alot more things out Maybe Even an Exploit that Would enable them to perform The Hack via Software (kind Of like splinter cell exploit on the first xbox?).

I might be Wrong here but I mean If they are IN that means they will now have more power of searching for more exploits since the hyperviser would no longer be a problem for them ?

I guess im just thinking ahead.. I mean we def Have more time to buy one from the stores before they Update them right ?

and Also this with the fact of a new Lite on version being released.. I think that maybe the people behind this exploit should Look deeper into if MS has some new "mod" Detecting in place ...

just a few thoughts.

[Xoxide]

QUOTE

So, some quick news:

We kept on working on this idea, and it worked out. pretty well. We use JTAG to program the DMA target addr, and then SMC to trigger the DMA read. The exploit itself is based on the old 4532 exploit.

The magic is how we launch 4532 - there is a "backdoor" for manufacturing since CB 1920. We have been able to restore the newer CD versions for all hardware types.

This means:
- We can boot own code in HV context ~5s after boot, before any video output, right after the kernel runs.
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
- It's possible to recover DVD keys. In fact, no DVD-ROM is required to run the hack, so it's possible to run own code, dump cpu key, decrypt HV, inject key, flash back. Note that I personally don't like games, so I won't be of much help here.
- No, even if you know your CPU key, it's not possible to downgrade back from 8498.
- Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents. Note that you still couldn't update to 8498, as it likely (haven't tried) doesn't run without R6T3.

Does this allow for the possibility of being used with a Cygnos? Since it makes changes to the bootloader, would you not be able to switch between Summer Update and the vulnerable NXE?