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24C3 Xbox360 Secuirty Lecture On-Demand Video Posted by XanTium | December 28 22:25 EST | News Category: Xbox360

Sorry for the delay, but here's the on-demand video stream of Felix Domke's (alias Tmbinc) and Michael Steil's (alias Mist) lecture at the 24th Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin, Germany: "Why Silicon-Based Security is still that hard: Deconstructing Xbox 360 Security". They explain the Xbox360 security and tell how it was hacked to run Linux (Hypervisor and Shader Exploit and the Timing Attack). The anonymous 'Hoodie Guy' from last year's CCC also makes a short appearance They also show a 3d-demo using their reversed engineered driver for ATI/AMD's Xenos gfxchip. At the end there's also a short video of native Wii homebrew! Even if you don't understand every part of the lecture (it's pretty technical) it's certainly worth a watch to understand more about the Xbox360 security.

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ausmods

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That was a brilliant speech, its very interesting how the security in the 360 works.

I found it a bit hard to understand sometimes, because of the guys french accent and the shitty audio quality....

Is there anywhere to download a better quality version of the video?

XanTium

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QUOTE(ausmods @ Dec 29 2007, 07:05 AM)

I found it a bit hard to understand sometimes, because of the guys french accent and the shitty audio quality....

Is there anywhere to download a better quality version of the video?

german accent (respect to them for doing their lecture in English tho, so we can all follow it )

Anyway, yeah the video/audio quality kinda sucks, but it should be good enough to understand everything.
Video conversion tools really don't work well (or maybe it's just me ... anyone knows a GOOD conversion tool that handles many formats and doesn't crash every 10secs or nuke the video/audio?).

I'll try to post a better version tomorrow.

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Definitely have to give respect to these guys for that detailed info.

Exploiting a 64 bit instruction. Genius.

Imagine the trial and error for that. How big is the PPC instruction set? 107 Opcodes in the core set alone?!? Sheesh!


Also, getting the decryption keys for the Wii is huge. But, I thought the Wii uses a hypervisor as well.

Man, I cant wait until mame with lightgun support is ported. T2 on the Wii...yummy.

Great work guys. They are correct, the linux guys are smarter.

ausmods

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QUOTE

german accent (respect to them for doing their lecture in English tho, so we can all follow it )

Anyway, yeah the video/audio quality kinda sucks, but it should be good enough to understand everything.
Video conversion tools really don't work well (or maybe it's just me ... anyone knows a GOOD conversion tool that handles many formats and doesn't crash every 10secs or nuke the video/audio?).

I'll try to post a better version tomorrow.

Thanks for that Xantium, im looking forward to a better quality version. lol yeah I understand video converters are usually crap.

Lol I could have sworn that was a french accent tho, but now I think about it, they do have german accents  




I can only hope one day I can help with console hacking (Hopefully the electrical enginering course im starting at uni next year will help me on that way...)

I can dream cant I?  

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*waits on better video quality

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So how long do we think till we will see XBMC for 360....maybe even MAC running on the 360?    

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Geez, some guys don't know what the German accent sounds like? It sounds like achtung ich bin esser.  That' means Danger beware of the unknown. ! Heehee!  Everyone knows the best hackers are Finns and Germans.  Linus Torvalds(Finn) is the father of all hackers...because he created Linux. And as you all know from watching that video.... porting things to linux leads to security exploits. It's the nature of LInux. Started out as a hacker O/S and trying to make devices run it....leads to homebrew. Look at xbox1. Key vault hypervisor, etc blah blah....who knows what all that stuff means? I need to get some hash. And some beer!! Watching hackers explain stuff is getting me dizzy. I'm sure weed will make me understand it more!!! hahaha!!!! The Chinese are okay too. But they just do destructive things....they never make homebrew and linux apps. Look at code red and worms....and they hack ps2, wii for piracy only.

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About where does the hoodie guy appear? I have intention of watching the full thing sometime, but the main thing that perks my interest is the hooded guy as of current.

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is it me being unable to find a clickable link to the video, or was that link deleted?
nvm, opera hid that content from me.

This post has been edited by kidman64: Dec 29 2007, 12:11 PM

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<off topic>

QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Dec 29 2007, 11:31 AM)

Geez, some guys don't know what the German accent sounds like? It sounds like achtung ich bin esser.  That' means Danger beware of the unknown.

Your German words mean "Attention I'm an eater"  
</off topic>

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that was a crazy lecture...i cant believe how much stuff goes into getting linux to run on the 360

theres some smart guys on the 360 front

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deilzfcjk's post was rather useless...

A friend sent me a link to the youtube video of the wii being hacked earlier, but i havnt seen the link to the 360 session on here. Is it up and im missing something or has it been taken down?

Heres the YT link for the wii talk for those who wanna see it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5YB1Mmx7E4

edit: changed clickable link. the html didnt seem to work

This post has been edited by flashfreak: Dec 29 2007, 01:29 PM

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he sounds like he learned his English in Boston, latah, hackah, bootloadah lol

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[ausmods]

That was a brilliant speech, its very interesting how the security in the 360 works.

I found it a bit hard to understand sometimes, because of the guys french accent and the shitty audio quality....

Is there anywhere to download a better quality version of the video?

[XanTium]

QUOTE(ausmods @ Dec 29 2007, 07:05 AM)

I found it a bit hard to understand sometimes, because of the guys french accent and the shitty audio quality....

Is there anywhere to download a better quality version of the video?

german accent (respect to them for doing their lecture in English tho, so we can all follow it )

Anyway, yeah the video/audio quality kinda sucks, but it should be good enough to understand everything.
Video conversion tools really don't work well (or maybe it's just me ... anyone knows a GOOD conversion tool that handles many formats and doesn't crash every 10secs or nuke the video/audio?).

I'll try to post a better version tomorrow.

[the-ghoul]

Definitely have to give respect to these guys for that detailed info.

Exploiting a 64 bit instruction. Genius.

Imagine the trial and error for that. How big is the PPC instruction set? 107 Opcodes in the core set alone?!? Sheesh!


Also, getting the decryption keys for the Wii is huge. But, I thought the Wii uses a hypervisor as well.

Man, I cant wait until mame with lightgun support is ported. T2 on the Wii...yummy.

Great work guys. They are correct, the linux guys are smarter.

[ausmods]

QUOTE

german accent (respect to them for doing their lecture in English tho, so we can all follow it )

Anyway, yeah the video/audio quality kinda sucks, but it should be good enough to understand everything.
Video conversion tools really don't work well (or maybe it's just me ... anyone knows a GOOD conversion tool that handles many formats and doesn't crash every 10secs or nuke the video/audio?).

I'll try to post a better version tomorrow.

Thanks for that Xantium, im looking forward to a better quality version. lol yeah I understand video converters are usually crap.

Lol I could have sworn that was a french accent tho, but now I think about it, they do have german accents  




I can only hope one day I can help with console hacking (Hopefully the electrical enginering course im starting at uni next year will help me on that way...)

I can dream cant I?  

[m82a1]

*waits on better video quality

[ryanworrell]

So how long do we think till we will see XBMC for 360....maybe even MAC running on the 360?    

[deilzfcjk]

Geez, some guys don't know what the German accent sounds like? It sounds like achtung ich bin esser.  That' means Danger beware of the unknown. ! Heehee!  Everyone knows the best hackers are Finns and Germans.  Linus Torvalds(Finn) is the father of all hackers...because he created Linux. And as you all know from watching that video.... porting things to linux leads to security exploits. It's the nature of LInux. Started out as a hacker O/S and trying to make devices run it....leads to homebrew. Look at xbox1. Key vault hypervisor, etc blah blah....who knows what all that stuff means? I need to get some hash. And some beer!! Watching hackers explain stuff is getting me dizzy. I'm sure weed will make me understand it more!!! hahaha!!!! The Chinese are okay too. But they just do destructive things....they never make homebrew and linux apps. Look at code red and worms....and they hack ps2, wii for piracy only.

[TIMxIRISH]

About where does the hoodie guy appear? I have intention of watching the full thing sometime, but the main thing that perks my interest is the hooded guy as of current.

[kidman64]

is it me being unable to find a clickable link to the video, or was that link deleted?
nvm, opera hid that content from me.

This post has been edited by kidman64: Dec 29 2007, 12:11 PM

[WiSo]

<off topic>

QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Dec 29 2007, 11:31 AM)

Geez, some guys don't know what the German accent sounds like? It sounds like achtung ich bin esser.  That' means Danger beware of the unknown.

Your German words mean "Attention I'm an eater"  
</off topic>

[Dark Seraph]

that was a crazy lecture...i cant believe how much stuff goes into getting linux to run on the 360

theres some smart guys on the 360 front

[flashfreak]

deilzfcjk's post was rather useless...

A friend sent me a link to the youtube video of the wii being hacked earlier, but i havnt seen the link to the 360 session on here. Is it up and im missing something or has it been taken down?

Heres the YT link for the wii talk for those who wanna see it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5YB1Mmx7E4

edit: changed clickable link. the html didnt seem to work

This post has been edited by flashfreak: Dec 29 2007, 01:29 PM

[biscoito]

he sounds like he learned his English in Boston, latah, hackah, bootloadah lol