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DeMoN_DARREN

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« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2007, 05:00:00 PM »

Homebrew on the XBOX1 was so amazing, i think i'll let them skip a console and do it on the next xbox  tongue.gif

Plus.... I don't recall these guys getting paid a dime to hack the xbox, so all you guys who simply sit back and download or do what these guys spent ages doing for free then turn round and called them traitors, fuck you
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« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2007, 07:01:00 PM »

QUOTE(englishnamja @ May 12 2007, 11:07 PM) *

doesnt this mean bunny has become a traitor which will just help M$ along the way with tips on out to patch errors and ways to stop running homebrew on the 360...

how is this a good thing...


My thoughts exactly, didn't even want to read further, the guy said what I was thinking.

Glorified hacker makes it big cuz of his hacks, thats ok!
but why announce that here, I know I don't care.

hop away...

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« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2007, 07:07:00 PM »

...and the group that created the unstopable, unhackable Skynet (Xbox3) was formed.

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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2007, 08:18:00 PM »

QUOTE(rgtaa @ May 13 2007, 04:36 AM) *

But because they did go to MS, and showed MS how to plug the leak, we don't have the 360 modded.


Oh but we do. Sure, right now all you can do is play backups, but for some such as myself, that's all we really need or care about.  Anything else I'd like to do with a console is pretty much covered to my liking with the original Xbox.
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« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2007, 07:49:00 PM »

I guess yeah...its unfortunate that these guys are sharing their knowledge with MS about security and if they have changed perspectives, instead of hacking to insuring security..well...its their choice.  Even though these guys are considered to be the 'top' guys in hacking...they aren't the only ones.  There are plenty of hackers out there doing what they can do in the console scene...there will always be the next bunnie, mist and Tmbinc.

Remember with technology there is always a way...whether it be a full-hack or a partial-hack...there is always a way.   If someone or some group engineered a console there is always someone or some group to reverse-engineer it.  cool.gif
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« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2007, 10:40:00 PM »

Bunnie If I too had your detailed knowlage of computers I would also be sniffing up M$ a**hole presenting myself as some kinda security specialist who wouldnt want a good wage with M$, after all they are the highest paid employeers.. Did you see the movie 300!? Let me claify who you are in the movie.. Youre the gimp/mongolid who wants to be “spartian” but gets rejected and joins the gay persian circus! spartian being the homebrew scene.. we thank your efforts in the past.. and we appricate all you have done.. but dont hinder other peoples efforts please.. and dont…be a mole within the homebrew community.

Thanks…
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« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2007, 10:23:00 PM »

QUOTE(englishnamja @ May 13 2007, 12:07 AM) View Post

doesnt this mean bunny has become a traitor which will just help M$ along the way with tips on out to patch errors and ways to stop running homebrew on the 360...

how is this a good thing...

clearly bunny should be sent back to vietnam.... happy.gif




my thoughts exactly...  huh.gif
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« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2007, 11:58:00 PM »

To all the whiners: STOP CRYING and THINK. This is a GOOD THING. This man knows what he's doing.

Are all of you faithless whiners quick to forget, or just unable to read?

If you actually READ, you have nothing to worry over, UNLESS OF COURSE you're a pirate that only wants homebrew for "backups". Like he SAID, he's working with ms towards a legal way for TRUE homebrew, without activating piracy/backups.

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Remember this guy is why you currently have ALL that unbridled fun with xbox 1.

Those quick to forget that are the only traitors.

I apologise personally that the whining crybabies don't understand this. Be a man for once in your lives, guys.

Just whatever you do, bunnie... don't turn away from the path towards homebrew. (But I don't think you will)
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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2007, 12:56:00 AM »

talk about a bunch of little bitches
who cares what he does and who he does it with
just incase u didnt already no this bunnie is not the only smart asian guy in this world theres a few more out there
we dont have to rest every thing on his shoulders he has done more then enough for the xbox scene
what have u little bitches done apart from cry coz its not as easy to pirate games on the 360 as it is with the xbox
stop bitching and crack the 360 using your own steam
and bunnie would be a idiot if he didnt try to make as much money as possbile from M$

btw am i the only think that thinks bunnie looks like the dude outta Hereos ha
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« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2007, 01:31:00 AM »

Mmm...

I) The Age

When you are very young and you manage to hack security, you feel a lots of pleasure in sharing the security hole you just opened with everyone (and not the manufacturer). Mainly because you are still student and you put freedom over everything else.

When you are grown up, with a wife, even maybe with children, you think differently. Your brain wants (even against your will) to get an easier and more comfortable life. Being allowed to discuss with manufacturer is an easier way to explore new possibilities...

Since next-gen is harder to hack and also requires hardware knowledge, it's not estonishing, people able to break in are quite mature ones. So that explains that both for ps3 and 360, we got some people wanting to discuss immediately with manufacturer. On ps3 two jobs got created this way for hackers. On 360 it may happen too now. This article may be a way to prepare us for that event.

To the people who rather like 'young' hackers, don't despair, each generation see a new bunch of them blooming... Also current 360 model (with thin and weak epoxy) is not worthy (unless you revamp seriously the hardware, by removing X clamps for example). We need homebrew yes, but on a better model, in order to keep enough machine working on the long term.

Only problem is that security will be much higher now on next firmware iterations.

II) The Risk

Just a reminder, if you put a foot in manufacturer homeland, you can be arrested. The fact that you have good friendly chats with engineers doesn't mean some high level executive won't take advantage of a law to crush you and get some "financial" advantages. So I suggest you continue your "chats" from a safe place without exposing yourself to some financial staff naughty temptation...

Another, more common risk, is that you just get hired for working on next console security (or worse, I fear, PC PCI express graphic/physics cards only accepting signed microcodes and signed data, allowing Vista monopoly on PC). Some kind of job offer you can't refuse, because of other threats...

C) Conclusion

There's no chance young and older hackers see this event the same way...

Personally, I don't think they will manage to convince MS to open legal homebrew. I think they will be hired and muted. But future can still tell me I was wrong... (unfortunately, from my own experience, I can say power is in the hands of financial people, not technical ones). But I don't blame them (I'm old), I just say they may have done a mistake, from the hacker point of view (if they were sincerely not interested in getting a new job).
Wait & See.

Difference with last gen console is that you will get homebrew only with old obsolete firmware versions (because security on last ones will be much higher, thanks to large unexpected help brought to manufacturers):
360: firmware 4532 or 4548
PS3: firmware <1.54 (let's say <=1.50, if possible with EE inside, for safety)

A good thing can come out from all this : the end of false hope.
The worst would be to let people believe new hacks will certainly occur for recent firmwares and have them miss opportunity to purchase the correct configurations. With the most probable event now obvious, people will be able to plan how to spend their money if they really want homebrew on a next gen console, instead of waiting forever.

For new incoming consoles, it may be the same thing : a little security hole (because humans are not perfect), some friendly hacker-engineer chat, leading to the publishing of the fix, giving people the knowledge of the vulnerable obsolete firmware version... We have to live with what we are given...
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« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2007, 02:13:00 AM »

Hey Bunnie boy! If you got any donations I suggest you re-pay the donators! I honestly hope you did not got any donations since that will piss them of and future donators. Why the fuck should we donate to someone who tends to change side after som years? Hell to that! If you would like to donations you better stay with the scene and don't anal fuck with large companies.
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« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2007, 05:11:00 AM »

Homebrew on the xbox 360 is a privilege not a Right!  so all you little crying n00bs who think bunnie is a traitor get a life and grow up. he has the right to work with anyone who takes him on, it does not make him a traitor.

just wait and see what comes of this situation. wink.gif

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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2007, 05:30:00 AM »

The scene has changed.  Used to be we will pretty much on same side.  Trying to mod the xbox and pooling our knowledge, but, I have noticed the last year or so, we have these weird people, supporting microsoft, and counter-modding.  

What happened?  Even the HEAD-mod is saying he is growing up and not into it like he was before, and doesn't see what these guys doing as that bad.  

If I was on a football team, and we went into huddle and after huddle you went to opposite side and they paid you to tell them what was said in huddle, I would think that you would be a traitor.  Why not here, these guys huddled with us, and now they are in opposite side.  And some of you JOKERS are saying , ... "I would do the same thing for MONEY and it's just a game of football. I don't see anything wrong with it."

That is exactly what MS wants, to break apart the other team.  And some of you guys say WAY TO GO MS.
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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2007, 07:37:00 AM »

i dont understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch.....like this is all some kind of NEW news!?  bunnie has been working with M$ since b4 the 360 was launched this is nothing new.....this conference was recent but Bunnie has been long gone from the scene.....quit yer bitching
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« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2007, 09:08:00 AM »

ok... came up with what I believe is the "problem". Here goes:

It sounds like 2 levels to hacking/modding  

1) the guys that like to "crack" the hardware/software ....just for the "fun of it" , learning security, etc, it's like a crossword puzzle, and THAT is WHERE the FUN is.

2) the Second level people are interested in doing cool stuff with Hardware now that it's "opened".  The regular xbox I would not have bought if I could ONLY play xbox games on it. PERIOD!  MANY here wouldn't have bought it.  But all the excitement about what the community could do with it,  that was exciting to me and many others here.

You first category guys, after "cracking" ... go tell MS how they did it  because the "FUN" was in the "cracking".  The others of us that would have liked to do "stuff" on the 360 other than what MS says we can do, are SCREWED!  And that is "why" there are "two" sides here.  You first level guys don't understand the "second level guys" ... and think we are all wrong to want to do other stuff on 360 other than what ms wants.
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