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[PSoff]

So I've backed up CoD 2, Oblivion, Amped 3, and Condemned with no issues using the wxRipper method, but I just picked up Hitman, and can't seem to back it up no matter what! The disc is brand new (just bought it today, first thing I did was try to back it up).

I use the Hitch DVD as I always do, the backup goes like this:

Action______LBA_______Size______Status

Copy_________0______19408______Done
Dummy___19408_______1072______Done
Copy_____20480_____109344_____91136   <- Error @ 91136: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
Copy____129824____1783936_________0   <- Error @        0: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
Jump___1913760_____342400______Done
Copy___2256160____1783936___1511424  <- Error @ 1511424: Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
Jump___4040096__________0______Done

The disc is clean and scratch free.

Anyone know why this is happening or what I can do? Has anyone else had problems, or have you all been able to back it up successfully?

Thanks!

This post has been edited by PSoff: Jun 2 2006, 04:48 AM

[PSoff]

Update: If I change the first 3 lines of the .ltf file (creating dummies for video partition as suggested in other threads), the redundancy errors disappear, and the resulting ISO is 7.05gb as it should be. I really want to copy all data though, avoiding the Dummy solution, as I want as much of a 1:1 copy of the original as possible.

The question is, why do I have to create a dummy video partition for this game, but not the other games I've backed up using the same drive? Is the layout different with this game (perhaps it has a similar structure as Tomb Raider, which seems to give people problems aswell)? BTW I have an LG GSA-4163B burner (with A106 FW).

Note: I was also able to successfully extract all of the files/folders of the game to HD using wx360, but I don't know how to turn these files/folders into a working ISO. My extracted files from the wx360 method total 4.91 gig (seems small though). Maybe if I can turn these files/folders into an ISO, it'll allow me to have the video partition intact?

Any ideas?

Thanks!

This post has been edited by PSoff: Jun 2 2006, 07:53 AM

[calvin940]

Check my PM reply to you.

Cal

[liteon6x]

could you pm me a solution too cal
thanks

[calvin940]

I will post what I sent to PSoff in the event that it helps anyone.  

I basically tried 3 copies of Tomb raider total (my own and 2 of my friends). Each time I tried to rip with WxRipper, I got errors in the same place. I adjusted the layout file based on how much my drive could read of the disc and dummied the rest.

Normally, your drive reads data with size "109344" (3rd part of the layout). With other games worked fine, however, with TR, it fails as you suggested when trying to read the full amount. So basically, I tested to see how far my reader would read on TR and I changed the layout slightly to say read up to 90112 and dummy the rest to fill up to size 109344. Then I left the rest the same. That worked for TR, but may not work for Hitman.

See, I believe that the first C1783936 is the first layer of game data on your game and the second one corresponds to the second layer. Those I believe shouldn't have any errors. However, the section of the disc we are having problems with I don't believe now that they contain important information since lots of people seem to be dummying the whole thing (that 109344 section).

However, your hitman issue seems slightly different since data on the second layer is giving you errors. It really shouldn't be giving you errors there. You can try something and it may very well read in and burn and even run.. but in the end the game may not work fully and you will never know until you play the full game off your backup.

If you notice, my layout , when you add 90112+ 19232 = 109344. I basically made sure that whatever I did, still resulted in the proper totals. So you could try something like this for your hitman:


C19408
D1072
C90112
D19232
C1783936
J252736
D1072
C1782864
J0

This says Dummy the first 1072 sectors of the second layer of data and try to copy the rest. Again notice that 1072 + 1782864 = the original value of 1783936. ANd since I don't want to wait 30 minutes each time to find out if this works, you can do this for testing:

D19408
D1072
D90112
D19232
D1783936
J252736
D1072
C1782864
J0

so it will dummy up everything until it reaches your test. If your test still CRC failes, adjust the D1072 higher (say 2048 of course making sure you subtract that from 1783936 to get your second value of 1781888). I would try to maximize what you can copy so keep adjusting until that Cxxxxxxx value is the highest you can get it without CRC and then when you get the final numbers, put it back into the good layout file and make a copy of your hitman.  You can make the increments smaller as well to fine tune and dummy exactly the point up to the failure and end up copying as much as possible.  Again, I dont really know if we are missing important information when we dummy the data, so use at your own risk.

I guess ultimately, it could be the drives we are using to read the discs (I am using a Sony DRU-500A) that cannot read things properly.  I read someone else saying that their TR read in fine (but I only saw one person post that).  I suppose if you truely don't want to worry about that stuff, then you would have to flash xtreme800 and use your xbox 360 drive - that's a serious pain in the ass tho and I'd rather not re-flash my 360 drive constantly.

Good luck

Cal

[PSoff]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Jun 2 2006, 05:07 PM)

...I suppose if you truely don't want to worry about that stuff, then you would have to flash xtreme800 and use your xbox 360 drive - that's a serious pain in the ass tho and I'd rather not re-flash my 360 drive constantly...

Thanks for the post cal, good use of creative problem-solving, but I was wondering about your final comment.

Wouldn't loading up the xtreme0800 firmware (and therefore using the ISOBuster method) result in a file with a dummy video partition, just like if you were to put in a 'D' for the first 3 lines of the .ltf using the wxRipper method? I dummied the video partition this way with wxRipper and it got rid of my CRC errors for Hitman. Problem is, you still end up with a dummy video partition, which is what we're trying to avoid in the first place.

In the end I guess the solution is either to find a drive that won't have problems or use your .ltf file suggestions to minimize the amount of dummied data.

A side question: Is the final ISO size supposed to be 7.05gig, 7.39gig, or 7.5gig? I've seen people mention all 3 of these ISO sizes, yet mine are always 7.05gig and my burns have worked so far.

This post has been edited by PSoff: Jun 3 2006, 04:42 AM

[dvsone]

That's probably because your DVD disc your using for your Hotswap is 7.05gig. And the game you are trying to backup is bigger than 7.05gig, so the end is getting cut off.

That's why tutorials tell you to get an 8.5gig disc, because no game can be bigger than that size.

[calvin940]

PSoff,

   My statement about using xtreme800 being the ultimate best copy is because it simply reads in the disk from the drive that is meant to read those disks.  I copies the data without fault or problem.  Yes, ultimately we insert that blank.iso in there but as far as the game contents are concerned, it will be all there.  we won't have to worry about the game not playing which might be the case when using WxRipper and dummying all that stuff.  In the end, I don't know enough to make a definitive response.

I also use a disk that is approx 8.35G so it has been able to capture my backups fine so far.  However, someone posted a script that will generate a DL maximum iso which could be burned to your own DL media and then used subsequently for the DVD scan part.  I may try that and see how it works for any other games I purchase, but so for my LOTR special edition extras disk has worked fine.

Cal

[PSoff]

QUOTE(dvsone @ Jun 3 2006, 02:08 AM)

That's probably because your DVD disc your using for your Hotswap is 7.05gig. And the game you are trying to backup is bigger than 7.05gig, so the end is getting cut off.

That's why tutorials tell you to get an 8.5gig disc, because no game can be bigger than that size.

No offense, but your post makes no sense. Anyone who knows about the wxRipper method knows that a swap dvd must be at least 7.35gig to even work (nothing under 7.9gig ever worked for me), and the disc I am using it Hitch at 7.95gig, just like the tutorial says, so why would I end up with an ISO of 7.05gig? Besides, if the game is too small wxRipper should tell you 'hotswap dvd too small'.

You also never told me how big your final ISO size is, which is what I wanted to know in the first place.

Same question goes for you cal, what is your usual final ISO size?

This post has been edited by PSoff: Jun 3 2006, 04:08 PM

[calvin940]

All of my final burning iso files are the same size: 7,572,881,408 bytes according to right-click, properties.

Cal

[PSoff]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Jun 3 2006, 10:46 AM)

All of my final burning iso files are the same size: 7,572,881,408 bytes according to right-click, properties.

Cal

Thanks Cal, I checked mine, and they are exactly the same size (ie. 7,572,881,408 bytes, which transaletes to 7.05gig).

As far as Hitman goes, I'm going to try a larger hotswap dvd and if that doesn't work I'll just start buying and returning dvd drives from the big chains until I fine one that can read the bad sectors without whining about CRCs.

[calvin940]

QUOTE(PSoff @ Jun 3 2006, 12:19 PM)

Thanks Cal, I checked mine, and they are exactly the same size (ie. 7,572,881,408 bytes, which transaletes to 7.05gig).

As far as Hitman goes, I'm going to try a larger hotswap dvd and if that doesn't work I'll just start buying and returning dvd drives from the big chains until I fine one that can read the bad sectors without whining about CRCs.

heh.. that's definitely one way to go about it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Go see if you can find the post from the guy who successfully read in completely his original of TR and ask him what drive he is using for it.  There was a thread with Tomb Raider in the subject.  Should be able to search and find his post.

Good luck.

Cal

[PSoff]

QUOTE(calvin940 @ Jun 3 2006, 11:33 AM)

heh.. that's definitely one way to go about it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Go see if you can find the post from the guy who successfully read in completely his original of TR and ask him what drive he is using for it.  There was a thread with Tomb Raider in the subject.  Should be able to search and find his post.

Good luck.

Cal

If you're referring to the guy who repied to my other thread regarding drives used to rip games with wxripper, then the guy is Sharky, and he says he uses on old Pioneer 105 drive. He says that the more recent drives (106 to 111) have problems, so unless I can find one used somewhere I'll have to perform my old 'field testing', lol.