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[Wolves]

Yea, well they also make most of their money off of the software sold. So maybe they will only ban the specific game. (off topic) And all these people saying that the firmware hack (at this stage) means that the 360 is hacked IMO is wrong. I don't care about backups, I want to be able to use a seperate OS on the 360, then and only then I will consider it hacked.

[Heet]

I bet its hacked enough as far as MS is concerned LOL.

[cerealkillajme]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 26 2006, 10:21 PM)

Witht he current status on the scene of the firmware it isnt long beofre people are backuping thier games by hotswappping or just getting thier backups of the internet. Know right now you can take backups on xbox live witht he firmware mod.

Has anyone though of what sony does woth backups and their online service.

Well i had a ps2 and if i tried to take a backup on lve it would says DNAS code not authenticated. So i could never take a backup online. But 10 seocnds later if i put in the real disc i could go on.

With PC games and software wonce they find a serial key has been abused the "blacklist it" and that pirated serial key becomes invalid.

But what will MS do here?

I would guess that once they see games all over th einternet they will check the ID, Code, or security sector of that pirated game. then when xbox live detects 100 people using the same disc (by serial # or w/e) it will ban that disc (theunique data on it) and that disc would become invalid on live.

I guess this is what will happen becaus ei dont see why MS would want to ban 360's for good of live so customers can go buy another xbox and put them in more debt. Or risk updating the firmware on the drives and have people calling in with bricked dvd drives.

and ideas?

You seem to know quite a bit about piracy...

[jameswalter]

QUOTE(MaxP @ Apr 27 2006, 11:06 AM)

what you are suggesting here is that each disk has unqiue identifiers..
is this actualy the case ?

is there a massive cost differance between producing 1 million identical disks and producing 1 million unquie disks ?

No.  I have seen the factory that makes the xbox discs, and they are identical.  Basically a mold is made from a master mold, and the discs are then made from that mold....so there is no way MS could detect this mod as of now.  I doubt the firmware could be read via xbox live either, because MS probably didn't think to include it originally and porbably aren't able to upgrade it enough to give it this function.  EEPROM data and BIOS are easy because they are onboard, but DVD firmware might be tough.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 27 2006, 03:28 PM)

and you problem is you jerk, eh?
this forum wasnt started here argue about piracy just leave the thread.
I have no comment on your question.
The title of this thread doesnt talk about piracy. make a valid point of say nothing.

hey jameswlater that is interesting. because i though every disc would be unique with some kind of serial number. or perhaps on the 360 every disc has a security sector that is different.

If what i just said is true then i would assume MS would blacklist securiuty sectors of discs that were rleased to the 'scene'. If the disc are unique and not just 100 % clones then they are going to find out.

I started this thread because this hasn't been talked about yet. it would suck to have people playing their backups on live and getting banned. this isn't a piracy thread it is to discuss this issue because it hasnt been talked about much, and could be a big issue once this firmware thing gets rolling.

the discs are all the same, but that doesnt mean MS wont find some other way to ID backups online, theyll find soemthign and theyll start banning

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 27 2006, 11:04 PM)

hum, i would say vader know th emost about xbox live here. vader do you think they'll allow you on live with the real disc. they dont want people to buy 2 360's one for live and one for backups, cause they lose money on the hardware.

well you could use that argument, but we already know how MS treated mods with xbox1, modchip on + retail disc still got you banned

we cant be 100% sure how MS will react until the firmware hacks become prevalent, it wil lcome down to which is easier for MS to do, check the firmware in the dvd drive, or check the disc

personally i think they will check the discs first, they could probably do a kernel update and issue a new type of media check from the kernel (on the firmware will report a false code to) of ocurse then the firmware will be hacked again, so this would merely be a temporary measure at best

ultimately they will check the firmware, even if they have to release a new version of the 360 hardware to be able to do it

[GeToChKn]

Well you can play PS2 backups online, even the DNA ones.  Some of the modchips let you insert an original, it copies the relevant DNA data to your memory card and every time you play online with that backup, the modchip patches this data on the fly when the game loads.  You can also extract the DNA data and patch your backups and play online with them with any PS2 chip that supports a stealth type of mode.

[Neilinator99]

I totally agree with wolves, i dont give a shit about backing up games it only about OS..

[lordvader129]

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but it wouldnt make much sense if they were to ban xbox's cause people will just by 2 360's they lose money on hardware.

they lost money on xbox1 hardware too, but that didnt stop them from banning people, i think to MS its more about sending the messege of zero-tolerance than losing a bit of money

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Well you can play PS2 backups online, even the DNA ones. Some of the modchips let you insert an original, it copies the relevant DNA data to your memory card and every time you play online with that backup, the modchip patches this data on the fly when the game loads. You can also extract the DNA data and patch your backups and play online with them with any PS2 chip that supports a stealth type of mode.

ps2 uses different types of security online than MS has, im only compairing to what we know about xbox1 onlien security, since we know next to nothign of how 360s are verified on Live

[Pikkon]

Well the thing is that MS has already created an update for the firmware hack,they are going to wait untill its wide spread then force an update via xbox live,MS can flash almost any chip on the 360 thru xbox live,most of the chips are rewritable to add.

[Chancer]

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by the way xecuter made a recent post in their own forum and they said the Spider Team is behind this devil 360 thing.

Oh dear. From past performance that does not look promising then

[Flexmaster Frag]

QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ Apr 30 2006, 12:57 AM)

i thought that flashing firmware over xbox live was a bad idea for MS, that is risky business and if someone turns off their 360 while the drive is beeing reflashed doesnt make sense.

It's no different than overwriting the flash ROM when a new 360 dash update is applied.  Sure it's risky, but the percentage of those updates failing or becoming corrupt is too small for there to be any opposition.

[krayzie]

QUOTE(Flexmaster Frag @ Apr 30 2006, 12:44 PM)

It's no different than overwriting the flash ROM when a new 360 dash update is applied.  Sure it's risky, but the percentage of those updates failing or becoming corrupt is too small for there to be any opposition.

If I'm not mistaken there is a backup kernel in case an update fails.

[Flexmaster Frag]

QUOTE(stowelly @ Apr 30 2006, 09:05 AM)

so it is feasable that there is a backup of dvd firmware or at least the box will have the ability to backup before reflashing?

From free60.org:

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It is believed the flash memory stores the Dash and other "Upgradeable" pieces of 360 Software.

The HYNIX HY27US08281A series is a 16Mx8bit with spare 4M bit capacity.

It's quite possible other pieces of software are contained in the flash ROM other than the dash/kernel, but I doubt that a backup of the dvd drive's fw is on there too.  I also highly doubt that MS will reflash firmware to counteract any potential hacks, and it may be as simple as detecting the hack in the first place and banning the appropriate user from live.

[krayzie]

I don't think it will flash the firmware or that it contains a backup firmware. It is more likely they will try to build some checks inside a kernel update.