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[nwo504]

lol @ wanting more proof

[celicagt1993]

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Mar 19 2006, 12:21 PM)

poopiepig, awesome speech, its all so true, and u 2 celicagt1993.

If people were honest, man, just thinking about it now, the world would be completely different, its never gonna happen though, we're straying further and further from world peace everyday.

That that 360 in the background, thespecialist would have more than one, hes an in depth hacker, and look at the pic, wheres the ring of light? That 360 is off, and too far away to be connected

well, it's nice to know that someone is actually reading this thread....  damn, i hate for the guy to come along after a weeks vacation and see the video, click the link to talk about it, get to about page 5 and say "awww fuck this, all i'm reading it people arguing about is if fake, no it's not, yes it is, here's proof, well here's proof, the world is going to hell, i'm a damn retard, i'm going to play my atari now, screw this."

oh, i forgot the part about "i'm going to stick my finger in my ass and twirl because i don't believe it"

[spinr34]

i can't believe people are still debating whether it's real or not. it is real just like the original xbox one was.  also i agree with thespecialist in not releasing it.

[jacob019]

Before you talk about fakes and such read the latest technical writeup

[ciaspook]

Don't think we will see this firmware released any time soon, same as we still haven't seen on for the xbox "1". I understand that he doesn't want to take the risk and don't condone piracy. So hopefully someone not so worried about their back will figure this out soon...hehe

[jonels]

QUOTE(haza55 @ Mar 20 2006, 08:41 AM)

This hack IS REAL.
The Proof of it.
1. 49 Pages forums posting from december about it
2. If u put a dvd-r in the 360 the laser head would not move like that, it would probly Read it for a sec and stop because the disc is not real.
3. the board to the left of the drive has a EEPROM chip on it, and he would hav been using this as the firmware instead of the onboard eeprom.
4. WHO HAS 2 COPIES OF PGR3, two real ones because if he had 2 xbox360s y would there be the pgr3 disk there.
5. the loading is in perfect sync

Number 2 is a bit suspect, especially considering this is offered as proof of a non fake. Unless presuming the 360 will play dvd movies from dvd-/+r is  mis-guided.

[jonels]

I'm absolutely stunned that the 360 doesn't have a toc/disk size checking, I really thought it did? So how did TS make a 1:1 copy with the bad/sector info stored as data on the copy without breaking toc/disk file checking, the only reasonable conclusion is the 360 was poorly protected from the start.

[Bizquick]

I honestly don't understand how many of you and saying fake video or crap. I mean this guy is well respected in the scene and many groups know his hack works. I mean even Team Excuter knows it. In fact I was doing some reading on the technial part of this hack (the 4 links posted on the main page). What I wonder is I would think his hack would apply to almost any video game console.  The only reason I think they were able to exploit the hack so easly. is that the Xbox and Xbox 360 are both based on regual PC parts. Meaning the DVD drives and Hard Drives are all IDE or SATA based and you can connect them in some way to your own PC. I mean last I checked you couldn't connect a PS2 Dvd drive up to your IDE bus. I mean mabey someone has but  I bet it was not an easy and required a lot work.  Another thing is I'm not a 100 precent conviced that MS would be able to patch this hack very quickly and I don't belive that they could flash an update that will break this. But I do belive they could detect it depending on what they were looking for on the firmware. at the current time frame I think they are just looking at the securty key matching the unit. but I'm sure they could just dig a little bit more and look for somthing else. So I bet this will cause a Live Ban when they do find it.  But I think they will have to hack one of there own units first to know what to look for.  Maybe they will call some of the teams for help if they can't figure it out. I would like to see a modchip for this though so we could choose to switch between the firmwares. I mean you would have to do a hardware switch and never switch the switch while the unit was on. but I would like to see that. But this does only support backups and maybe dev teams that have a way to sign there own code.

[Gwil]

QUOTE(dahlsim @ Mar 20 2006, 12:38 PM)

Seems a hole easy enough to close.  

Wouldn't "on the game disk" type security patching be an option for MS to close the hole for this hack?   Something ala the PSP security model where the new games will not boot if an unauthorized change is detected in the firmware of the DVD drive?  

ie. if(!= oldUnalteredFirmware || newKeyEncryptedDvDFirmware) then {doNotPlay(); updatefirmware();}

Modified boxes are then limited to playing only games that were produced before the security patched games rendering a mod fairly useless for piracy.

I'm just thinking out loud here, but once people have an understanding of the firmware, wouldn't it be feasible that it could be made to tell the XBox it's unmodified and all is well, thus avoiding being updated?  

[bourke]

QUOTE

The (DVD Firmware security) checks are as follows:

if target address is in secret range, then do not allow.
if target address + requested transfer length is in secret range, then do not allow.

Those two rules do not cover all possible address and transfer lengh combinations that can return the secret ranges. If we use the maximum transfer length (0xFFFF) and specify an offset as close as possible to the start of a secret range, then our target address will be below the range and our target address + the transfer length (0xFFFF) will be above the range. The result is that somewhere in the middle of our dump we get the entire secret range. This works because the length of the latter two forbidden ranges are less than the maximum transfer length of 0xFFFF.

If that was the extent of the firmware security then I seriously suspect that someone in LG/Hitachi wanted to leave a hole open!

[blue45]

Alright people looking good, i saw down with the specialist. Has helped us in a great tremendous way, but has traded us in the end. Power to the people down with MS. I dont care about home brew, we already have enough homebrew stuff with the modded xbox, its time for piracy and and a new high powered Dreamcast!       , They had 6 guys and took a year to get this far, and now with their information that we are going to steal because they basically gave it to us, we are going to shove it back in their faces with thousands of people working on this hack and have it done within hopefully a month or two. Or Think about maybe less. I think its time for me to get myself ahold of an xbox 360. Power to the people, and plans for a new high powered Dreamcast! Those days are back baby, can't wait. Time to use the old Disc Juggler program gain. lol!  

[BiggusDiccus]

QUOTE(blue45 @ Mar 20 2006, 10:52 AM)

Alright people looking good, i saw down with the specialist. Has helped us in a great tremendous way, but has traded us in the end. Power to the people down with MS. I dont care about home brew, we already have enough homebrew stuff with the modded xbox, its time for piracy and and a new high powered Dreamcast!       , They had 6 guys and took a year to get this far, and now with their information that we are going to steal because they basically gave it to us, we are going to shove it back in their faces with thousands of people working on this hack and have it done within hopefully a month or two. Or Think about maybe less. I think its time for me to get myself ahold of an xbox 360. Power to the people, and plans for a new high powered Dreamcast! Those days are back baby, can't wait. Time to use the old Disc Juggler program gain. lol!  

 

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It's like you're trying to tell us something I just know it.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(blue45 @ Mar 20 2006, 10:52 AM)

I dont care about home brew, we already have enough homebrew stuff with the modded xbox, its time for piracy

Take a 2 week vacation..... Go On.. I insist.........You have earned it.

[longshot_swedude]

It´s sad..  Please people keep the post to yourself. Don´t push "Add Reply"
I have browsed this forum along time. Why?! Its good. great mods, homebrew stuff etc etc. excellent work from everyone. I´am getting alot of tips from here on xbox mods and more really like reading stuff here! But this topic has shown that people just post replays with whine,fake blalba comments. Xbox-scene wouldnt have posted the news if the source wasnt 100% real. (That´s why i love this page, always 100% real no bs)

Topic -> Xbox360 DVD Firmware Hacked. Excellent work dudes, great work. Hope it will help the homebrew stuff in some way. But for now it´s only for games... boring . ofcoz i like some games. But the real stuff that made the xbox(1) so great and big was/is all the homebrew apps etc. That´s what i think. I wouldn´t have had six diffrent xboxes if i only could play on it. I love modding it! I love all the homebrew great stuff. xbmc <3 Anyways for me!

P.S i had to push the "Add Replay" button! look when i joined this board and how many posts i have!  I have been here alot but when the time comes to push the Add Replay. I really feel that my post dont benefit in anyway! But i hope this do. Please think once more before posting. And give TS and the crew there many thanks for the great work they have done!  

[KR4ZYMAN]

Hope someone can use this info and maybe find a way to keep everybody happy. I can only thank everybody on this site for the help that has been given over the years, good luck and keep up the work.