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colt45joe

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« on: December 29, 2005, 11:55:00 PM »

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lcapitan

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2005, 12:03:00 AM »

hahaha... wow
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cregan

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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2005, 03:46:00 PM »

I agree that the programs are technically running on my computer but some of the program still has to be running on xbox somewhat. There has got to be a way we can use that to gain access to the xbox files or to block xbox security features. If the program is only running off my computer then why would it say that theres no audio device or driver? because its still using the xbox's hardware! And why wont media center play xvid video's? Because the computer just sends the file to the xbox and the xbox decodes the file but the xbox doeesnt have an xvid codec so it doesn't work. The computer does do alot of the work but the xbox still proccess's some of the information. Also why couldn't you write a program that would dump the xbox's memory? (I now almost nothing about programming so your probably right) but windows is full of programs that dump system memory. Like when your computer hybernates it just writes your memory to the hard disk right? If it can be done on windows why couldn't it be done on the xbox?
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »

MCE is streaming the video/audio files to the xbox (not excecutables).  This does nothing to prove your point....any PROGRAMS are running on the MCE PC.
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cregan

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2006, 02:30:00 AM »

I'm not saying I "hacked" the xbox 360, i know next ot nothing about hacking or programing, i"m only 14. But what i am saying is that don't you think this is a very likely way "to" hack the xbox? I already said that i agree that the program is actually running on my media center pc but what im trying to point out is that the program is still refering to the xbox's hardware. The "no audio hardware" error proves this. If it were completely running off my computer then it would use my computer's audio harware right? If we can get a program to access the xbox's harware doesn't that give us a good opportunity to access xbox 360 files?
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2006, 03:40:00 AM »

QUOTE(cregan @ Jan 1 2006, 10:37 AM) View Post

I'm not saying I "hacked" the xbox 360, i know next ot nothing about hacking or programing, i"m only 14. But what i am saying is that don't you think this is a very likely way "to" hack the xbox? I already said that i agree that the program is actually running on my media center pc but what im trying to point out is that the program is still refering to the xbox's hardware. The "no audio hardware" error proves this. If it were completely running off my computer then it would use my computer's audio harware right? If we can get a program to access the xbox's harware doesn't that give us a good opportunity to access xbox 360 files?


Wrong.  What you're experiencing is more analogous to a terminal server session.  The 360 is just being a dumb terminal.

Your "no audio hardware" error does not prove that the software is referencing the Xbox hardware.  I assure you the 360 has a very capable and powerful audio decoder, as well as in kernel audio and a whole bunch of voodoo going on back behind the scenes to deliver a full, rich, enjoyable score to the theme of the game being played.  This is, in fact, a "feature", more or less, of the terminal services functionality. Though some configurations allow for sound and other resources (printers/shares/etc) to be "brought" to the remote device, for the security implications, MS likely opted to keep only the vitals in for the 360 version of terminal services, in order to keep the basis for exploitation low.

It's also quite burdonsome on the network to have all that data piped over it.  Large commercial networks with gigabit backbones, and a proper router/switch setup could do it fine.  An idiot at home who uses a 8 port 10 Base T hub as a router....couldn't quite do it.  MS would have to have a model that worked for all common network setups, and though very misguided, the slow, tiny hubs are seen in the wild.

I could also speculate re: Xvid videos...but it would be purely speculatory.

I will.  It seems illogical that the Xbox would download the video from the PC and then run it.  In doing so, either ram is going to be exhausted rather quickly, or it will require a memory card.  The issue of rewinding/fast-forwarding makes this even more evident.  RAM would be a precious comodity if one were to stream video to a core edition Xbox 360.  It probably is doing some form of streaming, more analogous to a projector style stream.  As I recall, certain video formats, due to their usage of the video cards (or some other voodoo; I really know very little about video cards, short of the fact that they draw really pretty pictures really really fast), do not show up on the projectors.

....or I could be wrong.  And MS could have been foiled by a 14 year old.  One who can master the complexities of reading and writing to a closed system, but can't read previous data written in an open system (ie: this forum).  You play Kameo, let the big kids do the real playing.  We'll let you know when we're done. ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2006, 04:23:00 AM »

Way to go guys.

He is a kid who is trying to help.

I hope it makes you feel really big and clever by bashing his thoughts and ideas. So they may not be correct, well at least he is trying.

You guys make me sick sometimes, pissing all over peoples efforts.

Most of the people who flame others dont know shit anyway, they just read stuff elsewhere, or make sweeping statements about how crap and false everyone elses ideas are. The whole point of x-s forums is "commuinity" people may come up with things others havent thought about, whether right or wrong, surely they are entitled to discuss their thoughts ?

Also try to bear in mind that some of the people you are bashing and flaming may have an interest in this area and in the next few years may well know a hell of a lot more than you.

How would you feel if you flamed a young bunnie and stopped his delving into electronics and we never had a hacked Xbox?

Grow up and try and be more constructive with your comments and criticisms, and dont overlook peoples suggestions as "stupid" without atleast thinking about the possibility they may have a point. Innovation comes from the strangest of places, and new ideas are what we need and then others can look into them if they havent already.

SlyT
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2006, 12:43:00 PM »

QUOTE(slyt @ Jan 1 2006, 03:30 AM) View Post

Way to go guys.

He is a kid who is trying to help.

I hope it makes you feel really big and clever by bashing his thoughts and ideas. So they may not be correct, well at least he is trying.

You guys make me sick sometimes, pissing all over peoples efforts.

Most of the people who flame others dont know shit anyway, they just read stuff elsewhere, or make sweeping statements about how crap and false everyone elses ideas are. The whole point of x-s forums is "commuinity" people may come up with things others havent thought about, whether right or wrong, surely they are entitled to discuss their thoughts ?

Also try to bear in mind that some of the people you are bashing and flaming may have an interest in this area and in the next few years may well know a hell of a lot more than you.

How would you feel if you flamed a young bunnie and stopped his delving into electronics and we never had a hacked Xbox?

Grow up and try and be more constructive with your comments and criticisms, and dont overlook peoples suggestions as "stupid" without atleast thinking about the possibility they may have a point. Innovation comes from the strangest of places, and new ideas are what we need and then others can look into them if they havent already.

SlyT


He read previous information (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=464433&st=0) and did nothing but say that someone should write a program to get info from the box.

1.  This is not technical.  2.   No new information was posted  3.  Instead of saying someone should write a program, he should expand his knowledge and learn how to.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2006, 12:20:00 AM »

QUOTE(zerosignal0 @ Jan 1 2006, 08:58 PM) View Post

still didnt need to shit all over him...



Slyt - If this had been something new, I'd see validity in your points.  But it's not.  It's been beat into the ground several times.  I believe it was also at one point on the x-s news page.
http://www.xbox-scen...lEkmWonEHhF.php


All it would have taken would have been forcing the Window to spawn a common dialog box with file selection menu to disprove his theory.  Once the "open file dialog" showed devices that weren't on his Xbox, he would have quickly realized the errors of his ways.

As to steering him from his dreams, AKA "the little bunnie" theory...if he comes to a technical forum, he better have something technical to say.  If he doesn't, and he messes up, and the words and opinions of a bunch of strangers on the Internet steer him away, he didn't have the heart for it anyway.
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lordvader129

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »

off topic.
non technical.
closed.
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