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[No_Name]

Yes the XBox 360 is a computer well done let me point out there are lots of things that can be classed as computers.

I recomend looking up the actual defination of what a 'computer' is

The Gamecube is a computer, the PS2 is a computer my car has a 'computer' for the fule injection system it does not me jack.

[lordvader129]

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I beleive the real issue is running signed code. If this can be done...then anything can be done.

360 already runs signed code, in fact, thats all it runs

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+Has anyone thought about a designing a PC interface to the 360 using pc parts or vice versa....taking the 360 parts out and putting them into a pc, for purposes of cracking its signing code or even locating the sections of code exist. Maybe if we can find where its located and how strong the encryption is....we can get a team of people generating cracking tables such as the "rainbow crack" at http://www.method for lm, ntlm and md5 winxp hash files. On a crossbreed system and actually come up with how to sign unsigned code.

so what are you trying to do here? build a 360-PC hybrid that wont run windows or 360 games? or try to crack the digital signature?

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+Perhaps reading in all bios level memory and deciphering what it actually does may provide some insight.

thats all contained the processor, so have at it

[No_Name]

You may think I am an idiot but I am not the one going round stating the obvious that a game console is a computer.

Just because something is a computer means nothing.

If you go back and re-read my post I said nothing what so ever about the later part of this thread.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(qdoggmets360 @ Dec 20 2005, 10:14 AM)

my bad for the typo....i think its OBVIOUS...we want to build a pc and an xbox that DOESN'T run any games at all, yet infact just wastes everyones time.

cmon dude....again...my bad for a typo

no_name....then why even reply at all....we all know what the F a computer is and what it does...

i have to use that analogy to attempt to bring this back to basics for my idea.....

hundreds of thousands of people crack and hack there way into stuff everyday...and one of the easiest way is with physical access.

xbox360 and a PC are indeed similar in many ways, but they are always very different in many ways, you cant just pick and choose what hardware you want and what you dont, the 360 runs on a very specific hardware profile, change it, and you no longer have an xbox 360 (same reason we cant just build a PC motherboard into an xbox)

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why are we attempting to do stuff with the software without doing hardware level stuff first.

what makes you think no ones doing hardware stuff?

[No_Name]

Why post because many people confuse a 'computer device' with a personal computer I stick to my first post and say maybe you should go back and look at a straight down line defination of what a computer is.

Every game console made to date falls under the defination of being a computer. Just because the current generation of game consoles share alot of the parts and workings with a modern PC means nothing and I stick to this.

So you are right the XBox 360 is a computer

What the XBox 360 is NOT is a Personal Computer.

[krims0n]

The 360 uses an RSA encryption and will never be cracked. The only hope of signing code is for the signing key to be leaked, which is pretty unlikely. The signing code (private key) is not stored anywhere in the 360 because the key to decrypt (public key) is different then the signing key, and the signing key is never needed by the xbox itself.

[lordvader129]

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i should make what i mean more clear. what i mean is to develop parts that can't be put directly in to allow cracking of this key. there are people out there who know about motherboard and circuitry cause its what they do all day long.

you mean like a modchip? OMFG! we never thought of that!

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jesus h fucking h fucking christ......ok fine.....the xbox 360 is not much different than the laptop/notebook/desktop pc hardware and software infrastructure.

sure, it looks the same, but the relationship between all the components is very different, this is where all the trouble lies

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how the fuck does that sit with you...does that explain it better.....its not like a fucking microwave

well who needs to mod a microwave, mine can already cook unsigned and imported food

[No_Name]

Your idea has its merits and flaws. I dont know enough to really say any more than that.

A tip would be to stop and think about what your trying to say before you say it and to not take things personally.

Saying we are stupid based on some words on the internet is a gross missjudgement on your part.
You have no idea who I am, what I do, my level of education just some posts on an online forum where my posting style could be taken the wrong way.

If you are going to work in IT after you graduitate get used to working in email. A tip is write something wait re-read it edit it wait a little lomger re-edit it make sure what you want to say is clear and to the point and not open to missinterpration (sp) and then send.

[No_Name]

lordvader can your microwave defrost stuff as well  

[qdoggmets360]

no. not like a mod chip you dolt.....as in a hardware cracking device ....rather than a bios override
does this device send back confirmation/negation or shut down when you send it a bad signiture.

[No_Name]

Enough with the name calling.

Are you talking about adding in some form of device to snoop the buses or stuff like that??

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(qdoggmets360 @ Dec 20 2005, 10:35 AM)

no. not like a mod chip you dolt.....as in a hardware cracking device ....rather than a bios override
does this device send back confirmation/negation or shut down when you send it a bad signiture.

i think you need to look up some general definitions of modchips as well as pcs

not all modchips simply override a bios (in the case of the xbox they do, but xbox isnt the only console ever modded) a modchip is, as you say, a hardware cracking device, so why dont we get right on makin gon of those

as i said before, the trouble is the relationship between the hardware components, add anything to that, or take anything away, and the 360 no longer functions properly, MS wasnt foresighted enough to make 360 plug-and-play compatible (your probably too young to remember pcs before plug-and-play)

[lordvader129]

sure, just code your virus and send it to MS, im sure theyll be more than happy to sign the code for you

[lordvader129]

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monitor all process on the system at the time

easier said than done

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therefore its obtainable and deciferable

and what do you think people are doing now? sitting on their asses waiting for your ideas? they are "obtaining" and "decifering" all the data they can, and trying to figure out how to obtain and decifer the data they cant

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its not a hardware cracking device....maybe you need to lookup the definition of cracking. cracking has to do with cryptanalysis there buddy

oh yeah, i forgot, nothing on the 360 is encrypted

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so no...not a mod chip....a hardware cracking device

and if its so simple why are you hgere argument with me (someone of obviously lesser intelligence than yourself ) rather than being out there hacking 360?

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(qdoggmets360 @ Dec 20 2005, 10:56 AM)

get a fucking life dude.

ill get right on that, but one last order of business first

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