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[eDeus]

Placing in useless junk would quickly get detected by modders and flagged as such.

MS arent stupid - plus why would they waste money for such unused hardware.

Possibly an earlier design, one that even was used for the dev kits?!

I suspect newer designs/production runs will not have the chip onboard.

[adeon]

this is weird that MS is doing this, but lets put this info into words we know..

just how the XBOXes have different bios versions on them.. a 1.3 bios wouldent work for a 1.0 xbox, same thing here maybe?, i dont remember if  1.0 bios would work on a 1.1 xbox, but from what I remember it dosent..

as for the epprom being ther... who knows.. let time tell

and the DVD signing sucks!.. I can imagine the poor mobos being ther with no use

just like the early days for the XBOX, the 3rd party companies that would repair the XBOXes didnt know what was the fuzz on the HDs,  hopefully theyll be a easy lock/unlock way like on the original XBOXes

[Arnold_Schwarzenegger]

Isn't it quite possible they've done it to confuse the hackers into the wrong direction? Maybe they thought it would take a while before you discovered the eeprom's actually useless?

[Arnold_Schwarzenegger]

And another thing(yes, it's for the tin-foiled like myself). Isn't it possible that MS would hire guys to post misleading info? I very much doubt it's the case here, but let's say crackerjack was that wouldn't it render the hackers not to check up everything(I'm certain the hackers will check it up, but maybe it'd slow down the process)?

[1nick9]

well seein how the box works fine wiht out it, could b info on hardware used in that so not interchangable, it  ight b used for some sort of back up and console works fine wihtout it and m$ might hav run out of eeproms in a production, but with bein said, its not like eeproms r hard to get hands on, once i recieve my 360 and if i t has it i'll see wat i cna do botu reading back the info, prehaps its blank and was for debug kits and wasnt taken off in early consoles as a mistake but m$ wont make that sorta mistake. but they did hav abit of a rush gettin it out.

guess only time will tell.

as for the tsop swap not working, my guess is each console has its own key for tsop and dash is signed jsut like live content is now to each xboxes eeprom key (probly not eeprom key but key on a chipset on consoles), so it will make it harder to decrypt for hackers and wat not.

jsut my 2cent

cheers

[matcapir]

From the free60 site:    Hardrive info


http://www.free60.org/wiki/Harddrive

[iLLNESS]

too bad when he was swapping the eeprom he didnt try swapping the drives at that time too

im guessing the eeprom is there because the dvdrom needs it..


if he could get access to 2 360s without eeproms, im guessing the dvdroms will be swappable

[posiedon]

i have personally have seen 2 diffrent motherboards in 2 premium systems
and seen photos of 4 more diffrent versions online
it may be like the original 1.6 motherboards in the first xbox
you need a diffrent method to install a chip in the 2 diffrent versions
this may be what is going on here, ms trying to stop a universal modchip setup
so each diffrent version needs a diffrent wire/placement setup
but this is just a theory though

[MSi]

QUOTE(iLLNESS @ Dec 5 2005, 12:55 PM)

too bad when he was swapping the eeprom he didnt try swapping the drives at that time too

im guessing the eeprom is there because the dvdrom needs it..
if he could get access to 2 360s without eeproms, im guessing the dvdroms will be swappable

Well, he took the eeprom out on the core version, and it all still worked perfectly as far as he could see; if the 360 needed the eeprom for the dvd drive to work, games wouldn't play, so I don't like that theory.

Also, if the eeprom was for different cpu versions, taking it out would surely make this different cpu version work incorrectly.

And, if M$ put it there to confuse us, why would they leave it out on some, and put it in on others? Surely they would realise that this would make us think that maybe it isn't needed, therefore wasting the tenth of a cent it costs them to put it on the board.

If I had a 360, i'd be trying some of my theories out, but due to both the shortage, and the bugs ( 360s scratch CD's, and there's not even a way to back them up yet? ) I'm going to wait for a later release to come out.  For mow, I'll just try to help by posting my speculations...

[Smidley]

Keep prodding and poking!  I'm not getting a 360 until it's cracked!

[modthebox.tk]

QUOTE(posiedon @ Dec 5 2005, 03:21 PM)

i have personally have seen 2 diffrent motherboards in 2 premium systems
and seen photos of 4 more diffrent versions online
it may be like the original 1.6 motherboards in the first xbox
you need a diffrent method to install a chip in the 2 diffrent versions
this may be what is going on here, ms trying to stop a universal modchip setup
so each diffrent version needs a diffrent wire/placement setup
but this is just a theory though

even if they did make it like that we would still be able to see were the traces go and we could follow them from a place that is designated.

the eeprom, like a few people suggested, is probably were the swapping of dvd drives is enabled or disabled.

one thing, if the eeprom is useless and was used in dev kits then in the newer versions the eeprom might be stored in the TSOP near the CPU, which is probably more likely.

[deadparrot]

What happens if:

You solder the EEProm into the Premium system?

You solder a blank EEProm into the Core?  Does it end up with data on it after use?

You solder a blank EEProm into the Premium?  Does it end up with data on it after use?



I expect the TSOPs cannot be swapped because of the per box key not being able to decrypt the contents.

[iLLNESS]

well, maybe the ones with eeproms are like the dev units

either way, itd be nice to see the eeprom dumped thatll explain a little more

[jROC99]

Seems to me that the DVDRoms may be locked to the systems..
Like the Hard-Drives in the old Xboxs

jROC

[ssj4android]

Hm...maybe MS decided part way through production that they didn't want EEPROMs anymore? Did this guy try taking the EEPROM out BEFORE connecting to live and downloading the update? Maybe the original software needs the EEPROM, but the update doesn't.