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Owtlaw333

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« on: December 01, 2005, 01:53:00 AM »

Try the 360 Hacking forum.... may be more of use to you (and will answer most of ur questions)
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luther349

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 04:40:00 AM »

thers a few weaknesses in the 360. not all in emulation. for one it might be possable to crack the downloadable iso. emulation hell might even be able to be crashed the same way a xbox is. mce might have some weaknesses to sence it uses udp its possable to packetflood it with a pay load to crash the system and run a expolite.  of course thats just the softwhere side of things. to mutch is not knowen still but modchips will probly be first then some kind of softmod. even if the softwhere is prety mutch hackproof the hardwhere never is.
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sulfur

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 07:59:00 AM »

moving.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 08:49:00 AM »

has anyone tried running the 007 / mech hack on the 360 ? .. u can copy the saves from a usb drive no ? .. i don't have a 360 yet ..

i guess thats assuming either of those games are supported as of now ..


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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2005, 09:02:00 AM »

Can't be done.  Saves are non-transferable, and the 3 exploitable games have no emulator updates.  Also, there is plenty of buffer overflow protection on the 360.
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lordvader129

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 10:24:00 AM »

the emulator has a very specific compatibility list, somehow i doubt MS was kind enough to include our homebrew apps on that list, so they wouldnt run even if we could sign them

we cant write our own emualtor becuase the emualtor is protected by the 360 security, and if we could crack that would wouldnt need to hack the emualtor, lol

the downloadable emulator updates are just a single xex, not an iso (at least the one i got from xbox.com was) meaning theres nothing we can do it, it would invalidate the signature
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 07:54:00 AM »

If you design your own software for security,would it work as a homebrew app or as a unknown file?  But why are the 360's crashing? Did MS design a faulty system or did they release it to early for consumers to buy? The power adapters itself are huge and the systems are water-cooled,so what's going on?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 11:22:00 AM »

I think that it is so early in the process - very few people even have consoles yet -- that we don't even know what we don't know. It will be a while before we even have enough information to allow for valid speculation, let alone any sort of real path that might lead to a hack.

And as to sytems having problems, try shipping half a million complex machines in a day and see if you don't get some problems. Most hardware has a failure rate in the lw single digit percentages. I would be very surprised if the real failure rate on 360's was any greater than 1-2%, but even at that very low level you would still see several thousand people with problems, and with all the media and the fact that people without problems tend not to scream about it on forums, it shows up as more significant lump than is warranted.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 01:23:00 PM »

QUOTE(360fan13 @ Dec 2 2005, 11:01 AM) View Post

The power adapters itself are huge and the systems are water-cooled,so what's going on?

Water-cooled? You've been reading wrong buddy, the 360 is cooled with huge heatsinks and 2 fans...
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »

hes talking about dual processor G5's
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ShadowElitePro

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2005, 02:58:00 PM »

In my opinon its average due to the fact theres so many possible ways we could exploit it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2005, 03:00:00 PM »

QUOTE(azninvasion @ Dec 1 2005, 09:11 AM) View Post


So what is needed is someone to crack the impossible private key from the original xbox


The key can't be 'hacked' by some kind of reverse engineering, only thing you can do is brute force it. Good luck with that smile.gif I'll buy you a beer if you find it before 2010 smile.gif And why try to crack the key from the original xbox ? I'd rather have the one from the xbox 360 smile.gif

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I don't believe anyone has yet cracked the private key, but if we were able to, I think it would be a very good possibility that we could get many of our homebrew apps from xbox-old to run on xbox-new.

"Very good possibility" ? If we have the private key from the 360, then we can run ANY code on the xbox 360, from any medium ! Nobody would need to hack his/her xbox anymore, you could just dl the iso from internet and play it on your 'unhacked' xbox, what more could you possibly wish for ? smile.gif

But really, forget about hacking the private key, it's just not feasible ...
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »

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"Very good possibility" ? If we have the private key from the 360, then we can run ANY code on the xbox 360, from any medium ! Nobody would need to hack his/her xbox anymore, you could just dl the iso from internet and play it on your 'unhacked' xbox, what more could you possibly wish for ?

But really, forget about hacking the private key, it's just not feasible ...

unfortunately doing this would do jack crap for 360, if the private key (for either xbox or 360) were cracked MS would issue a kernel/emulator update with built-in media checks so we wouldnt be able to run backups anymore

of course for people not connected to Live this wouldnt bother them, but the 360 would only have to connect to Live once to screw you

plus, whats an xbox without Live? lol
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2005, 10:42:00 PM »

What people dont get, people at MS look on these kind of forums everyday to see if someone has modded the 360. So they can find out quick, and try to create a patch.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »

QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Dec 2 2005, 11:20 PM) View Post

I don't see the problem, just alter the mediatype flag on the ISO to 'boot from any (non-secure) medium' and resign it with the Private key smile.gif

thats fine for xex-based media checks, im saying MS would update and use KERNEL-based checks, and we'd be left right back where we are now, trying to hack the kernel
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