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DivX 'not happy' with Microsoft Posted by XanTium | January 19 12:42 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From techradar.com: Currently, when it comes to DivX on consoles, it is just Sony who has signed up for the official codec compliance for the PlayStation 3. TechRadar asked if DivX can see other console manufacturers teaming up with the company in the future, and Rota [founder and VP creative, brand and community of DivX] was quick to respond with regards to the Xbox 360: "When it comes to DivX branding, we have had a hard time with Microsoft. Obviously we would love for some sort of partnership to happen. "Currently, Microsoft does support DivX, which is fantastic, but the company has brought in some third-party support for the Xbox 360, and we are not very happy with that." Full Story: techradar.com

[johnnyrico]

if MS brought in third-party support, DivX probably asked too much money.
besides, Xvid is genuinely (GPL) free and brings equal quality, DivX on the other hand is commercial.

This post has been edited by johnnyrico: Jan 19 2009, 08:15 PM

[neosparq]

There's history:

From Wikipedia
DivX ;-) 3.11 Alpha and later 3.xx versions refers to a hacked version of the Microsoft MPEG-4 Version 3 (MPEG-4v3, Microsoft internal numbering scheme, unrelated to MPEG-4 parts) video codec (which was actually not MPEG-4 compliant), extracted around 1998 by French hacker Jérome Rota (also known as Gej) in Montpellier. The Microsoft codec, which originally required that the compressed output be put in an ASF file, was altered to allow other containers such as Audio Video Interleave (AVI). Rota hacked the Microsoft codec because newer versions of the Windows Media Player wouldn't play his video portfolio and résumé that were encoded with it. Instead of re-encoding his portfolio, Rota and German hacker Max Morice decided to reverse engineer the codec, which "took about a week".


;-)

[OwlBoy]

So the company that started as a hack and was built on the back of piracy is complaining MS supports their codec but did not pay them? Shut up.

But I have to say, if DivX can get mkv in devices (like the PS3) that would be cool. But again, because of pirated videos, nothing legit. (The reason DivX went h264 inside of mkv was because the pirate groups are heading that way, they are just following along with the piracy again.

[frieko]

Ooh, poor babies, MS implemented an ISO standard format without the help of the company that makes one of the crappier codecs for it.

[erexx]

That's right.
Its a good read.
Here is a link to the whole article: DivX History - Wikipedia

This really comes as no surprise.
Considering DivX is a company that spring boarded off of hacked M$ tech
and M$'s long history of less than solid support for other companies using its software.

I don't use compression anymore for Movies (DVD) or Music (WAV)
There is no point for home media...
and no arguing that what I see and hear is as good as it gets
(as far as consumer based source material goes)

I stream every thing using a DNLA\SAMBA enabled 2TB NAS.
I will add more as time goes forward.
Storage space will just continue to get cheaper.

[quarky43]

Screw divx support.  I want better x264 MP4 Matroska AAC AC3 support...  the sooner we can get more mass adoption of the far superior codecs and containers the better off we'll be.

It would be great to have advanced native support for Matroska files.

[MrFish]

QUOTE(erexx @ Jan 19 2009, 07:55 PM)

I don't use compression anymore for Movies...
There is no point for home media...
I stream every thing using a DNLA\SAMBA enabled 2TB NAS.
I will add more as time goes forward.
Storage space will just continue to get cheaper.

By my calculations, your 2TB NAS can provide three hours of 30fps 480p uncompressed video. Assuming you've got gigabit ethernet to stuff it down. You might need to buy more disks soon.

You sure you don't use compression?

[CsL]

He doesn't know that MPEG2 and VC-1 are compressed formats, too

Would be nice if MS could put DivX7 support in my X360. Because - you know - mkv is the future!

[erexx]

QUOTE(quarky43 @ Jan 19 2009, 08:03 PM)

Screw divx support.  I want better x264 MP4 Matroska AAC AC3 support...  the sooner we can get more mass adoption of the far superior codecs and containers the better off we'll be.

It would be great to have advanced native support for Matroska files.

You really think they would just easily open the door to ripping your own HD movies and streaming them?
For now TVersity does a good job when it works... but I hear your pain.
Just be patient...

QUOTE(MrFish @ Jan 19 2009, 08:08 PM)

By my calculations, your 2TB NAS can provide three hours of 30fps 480p uncompressed video. Assuming you've got gigabit ethernet to stuff it down. You might need to buy more disks soon.

You sure you don't use compression?

Nope.
Sorry but you going to have to do the math again.
I didn't say Blu-Ray or HD-DVD content... in any case...

Here are some numbers for you.
2 x 1 TB drives is about 1862GB of formatted space (or about 931GB each...)
Most DVD's average 6.5GB or less.
Most CD's are <750MB
Most Blu-Rays or HD-DVD are <25GB

And NO its does not take a Gigabit ethernet.
Max thru put for MPEG is 7MB sec.
Most DVD movies average 4~6MB a second.
A clean 100MB switched ethernet works just fine.

You don't need a 360 or PS3 to pull off really smooth DVD movie streaming.
An Xbox, 100MB ethernet and decent filer is all you need.

QUOTE(CsL @ Jan 19 2009, 08:18 PM)

He doesn't know that MPEG2 and VC-1 are compressed formats, too

Would be nice if MS could put DivX7 support in my X360. Because - you know - mkv is the future!

I do know that.
I think you are the one who is confused.
Edit: Why would I even consider decompressing an MPEG or VC-1 and streaming that?
It would not only be a waste of time, it would not look any better.
Decompressing an MP3 is NOT going to give you the original WAV file that is on the CD. /Edit

The MPEG-2 that you and I get off of a DVD is the BEST consumer source material that we going to get.
Same with a VC-1 move off of a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
The WAV we get off the CD is the best we are going to get.

But its NOT the original source.

We will probably never see the master material, we will always get a redux version in a new plastic wrapper.
What we get is a Transfer from the original source.
That source might be 35mm film or Digital Movie camera's, DAT tape and so on.

The newbie community needs to wake up to the difference between something that has been transfered from a master using a codec like VC-1 or MPEG to a consumer media like Blu-Ray or DVD.

AND something that has been re-coded often using the SAME codecs in order to make the file more portable which almost always result in the loss of information from the original source.

I don't see the need to compress or re-compress any of my media any more.
A Tversity Matroska wrapper is in the works for mkv... hopefully that works out.
Something else will probably come along with time.

[g8crapachino]

Is there any more of a modern cliche then to hear another tech company, group, or person, grab some Media attention by saying they are unhappy with Microsoft?    This is probable a Damn if you do, Damned if you don't kind of situation.   I mean what if, hypothetically, Microsoft did work with DivX, would we instead be hearing some whining from the third-party that Microsoft went with?

[readmore]

QUOTE(erexx @ Jan 19 2009, 09:50 PM)

You really think they would just easily open the door to ripping your own HD movies and streaming them?
For now TVersity does a good job when it works... but I hear your pain.
Just be patient...
Nope.
Sorry but going to have to do the math again.
I didn't say Blu-Ray or HD-DVD content... in any case...

Here are some numbers for you.
2 x 1 TB drives is about 1862GB of formatted space (or about 931GB each...)
Most DVD's average 6.5GB or less.
Most CD's are <750MB
Most Blu-Rays or HD-DVD are <25GB

And NO its does not take a Gigabit ethernet.
Max thru put for MPEG is 7MB sec.
Most DVD movies average 4~6MB a second.
A clean 100MB switched ethernet works just fine.

You don't need a 360 or PS3 to pull off really smooth DVD movie streaming.
An Xbox, 100MB ethernet and decent filer is all you need.
I do know that.
I think you are the one who is confused.
Edit: Why would I even consider decompressing an MPEG or VC-1 and streaming that?
It would not only be a waste of time, it would not look any better.
Decompressing an MP3 is NOT going to give you the original WAV file that is on the CD. /Edit

The MPEG-2 that you and I get off of a DVD is the BEST consumer source material that we going to get.
The VC-1 off of a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
The WAV we get off the CD is the best we are going to get.

But its NOT the original source.

We will probably never see the master material, we will always get a redux version in a new plastic wrapper.
What we get is a Transfer from the original source.
That source might be 35mm film or Digital Movie camera's, DAT tape and so on.

The newbie community needs to wake up to the difference between something that has been transfered from a master using a codec like VC-1 or MPEG to a consumer media like Blu-Ray or DVD.

AND something that has been re-coded often using the SAME codecs in order to make the file more portable which almost always result in the loss of information from the original source.

I don't see the need to compress or re-compress any of my media any more.
A Tversity Matroska wrapper is in the works for mkv... hopefully that works out.
Something else will probably come along with time.

nerd

[erexx]

QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 19 2009, 09:04 PM)

nerd

lol!
OMG, your breaking my heart!  

[luther349]

h264 is better then divx anyways. and people are moving to that.

[CsL]

QUOTE(erexx @ Jan 19 2009, 10:50 PM)

QUOTE(CsL @ Jan 19 2009, 10:18 PM)

He doesn't know that MPEG2 and VC-1 are compressed formats, too

Would be nice if MS could put DivX7 support in my X360. Because - you know - mkv is the future!

I do know that.
I think you are the one who is confused.

But you said:

QUOTE(erexx @ Jan 19 2009, 09:55 PM)

I don't use compression anymore for Movies (DVD) or Music (WAV)

A DVD-Video would be much larger than 7GB when it's not compressed. I'm sure you know this.

720*576 Pixel = 414720 Pixel
Truecolor = 24bpp
414720*24 = 9953280bits per frame
PAL = 25 frames / second
9953280*25 = 248832000bits per second
90mins = 5400 seconds
90 mins = 1343692800000bits = 156,4264GB