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[BasicAir]

Wow, that guy who's trying to claim the Xbox 360 HD DVD addon is subpar is ridiculous. He cites rare negative opinions by one in 1,000 people on a message board and accepts it as fact. That's qute hilarious, actually.

I've had the 360 HD DVD addon for over a year now. I also have over 60 HD DVD titles. Both old titles and new titles look absolutely perfect on my 56" 1080p television. Some look better than others, obviously, but that's not the players' fault but rather the source/transfer.

As for internet forums, I've been a contributer on AVS Forums for years in the HD DVD and Blu-ray sections. AVS Forums are considered amongst the top forums for intelligent home theater discussion throughout the entire internet. I have yet to see anything but possibly 1 in 1,000 people make any kind of claim about the HD DVD addon as this guy is. On the contrary, I'd say about 1/2 the people in the HD DVD hardware and software forums on AVS Forums own the Xbox 360 HD DVD addon. Well over 95% of them have never reported any claims about it being subpar at all but rather really enjoy their players like myself.

Not only is does the Xbox 360 HD DVD addon perform just as well as standalone HD DVD players, but there are other advantages to having an 'addon' over a built-in player as well:

*** Portability: You can easilly transport the player to a friend or family members' house.
*** Adaptability: You can connect and play the addon on a PC which means you've got an HD player for life.
*** Less expensive: Since the 360 does a lot of the processing and outputting work, the addon can be made more cheaply and sold for less.
*** Future uses: Sure a PC can always use your addon, but future versions of the Xbox will most certainly allow for the addon(s) to connect and play through.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Lush @ Feb 18 2008, 11:09 AM)

it would be nice to see microsoft adopt blu-ray...  its a much better format...

why exactly is it a much better format? if your talking spec for spec about the formats them self, and exclude who the studios supported, they are pretty much equal, with the exception that hd-dvd is region free, and can be made without needing major changes from the dvd production plants.

who the studios supported is a completely different issue from one format being 'much better' than the other.

[1nsan3]

If the blue ray add on only plays movies. then i wont touch it.. But if they create games on blue ray disc ( more space for maps etc!) then yes i will buy it..otherwise its of no use..

[SphtKr76]

QUOTE(hawkolugy @ Feb 18 2008, 06:02 AM)

How is this going to work with the Xbox 360's that do not support hdmi? Will it let you output 1080p through component? I really doubt the blu camp will allow it...as that was one of the things I liked about the HD-DVD addon it allowed 1080p over component.

Actually the 360 limits HD DVD output to 1080i over component.

QUOTE(Lezlyte @ Feb 18 2008, 10:40 AM)

The HD-DVD player doesn't allow a magical upgrade to the 360's graphical output.  You are limited to 1080i over component no matter what type of picture the 360 is outputing (game, DVD, dashboard).  However, 1080i and 1080p have the same resolution, so the difference is in sharpness, the scaling would remain the same.

FAIL Sorry man, but you are completely wrong, games can be output at 1080p native if the title supports it, or 1080p scaled over component. Also, non copy protected videos can also be scaled to 1080p over component. Maybe do some research before posting FUD.

I would consider buying a BR add on drive IF they found some way to allow lossless audio output.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(SphtKr76 @ Feb 18 2008, 02:42 PM)

FAIL Sorry man, but you are completely wrong, games can be output at 1080p native if the title supports it, or 1080p scaled over component. Also, non copy protected videos can also be scaled to 1080p over component. Maybe do some research before posting FUD.

how many tv's actually support 1080p over component? as a general rule of thumb, 1080p is only possible over hdmi/vga. most 1080p tv's will not accept a 1080p signal over component, making it irrelevant if the 360 is willing to output it or not. i think you are correct that the 360 can output 1080p over component, but it is a moot point in 99%+ of 360 setups

[SphtKr76]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Feb 18 2008, 01:35 PM)

how many tv's actually support 1080p over component? as a general rule of thumb, 1080p is only possible over hdmi/vga. most 1080p tv's will not accept a 1080p signal over component, making it irrelevant if the 360 is willing to output it or not. i think you are correct that the 360 can output 1080p over component, but it is a moot point in 99%+ of 360 setups

Doesn't really matter. This dude is saying its not possible, which it clearly is. Off hand I know that all Samsung DLP's and some Sony SXRD can. I am using it right now on my Sammy.

[BasicAir]

QUOTE(SphtKr76 @ Feb 18 2008, 09:38 PM)

Doesn't really matter. This dude is saying its not possible, which it clearly is. Off hand I know that all Samsung DLP's and some Sony SXRD can. I am using it right now on my Sammy.

Yeah before I got my Elite 360 with HDMI I had my 360 over component set to 1080p to my Samsung. When I got my Elite with HDMI I really don't notice but maybe a 5% picture quality difference at all and that 5% is probably because it's an HDMI/digital signal and not a component/analog signal rather than a 1080i/p signal.

Either way, 1080p over component is possible but it's very true that many tvs and monitors will not accept a 1080p component signal.

About 50% of consumers who are buying HDTV's can't even tell a difference between 720p and 1080p though so most people won't notice a difference between 1080i and 1080p. That's the reason MS said they didn't need HDMI or 1080p when the 360 launched -- Because most consumers would notice 0% difference and those who would see the difference would see less than 10% difference.

But, w/e. This thread is supposed to be about a Blu-ray addon for the 360. Again, I hope this is true. I'd love to return my 80gb PS3 but as it stands right now the PS3 is the best bang for your buck in a Blu-ray player. It's one of the cheapest Blu-ray players (only 1 or 2 standalones are cheaper) and it has the best response time and the best support for firmware/feature upgrades via Sony over PSN. That's why I bought a PS3. But a Blu-ray addon for the 360 would be even cheaper and have just as good of support via XBL for firmware/features. So I'd return my PS3 in a heartbeat.

If it really is May that this could release, Wal-Mart would still return my PS3 for a full refund.

[Steve-0]

so if it was a external drive you could just add a usb hub and run both at once, or make a 1337 case mod and incorporate both hd dvd and blu ray into one case.

[BasicAir]

QUOTE(Steve-0 @ Feb 18 2008, 11:07 PM)

so if it was a external drive you could just add a usb hub and run both at once, or make a 1337 case mod and incorporate both hd dvd and blu ray into one case.

You wouldn't even need a USB hub. The 360 has a USB input in the back and 2 in the front. You could use a USB hub but you wouldn't need to.

Also, you could just plug in the Blu-ray addon to the back of the HD DVD addon since it has a USB connection on it's back.

[denverdallas]

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Feb 18 2008, 04:50 AM)

I'm sick of arguing with you, I'm beating you so badly it is getting pathetic...

Hahahahahahahaha....

That is so funny. You beating me? Back to basics. I've got a Blu-Ray player, you have a doorstop. The fact that you made the wrong decision, despite all the evidence telling you that HD-DVD would die, says a lot about your technical skills.

QUOTE(BasicAir @ Feb 18 2008, 11:31 AM)

As for internet forums, I've been a contributer on AVS Forums for years in the HD DVD and Blu-ray sections. AVS Forums are considered amongst the top forums for intelligent home theater discussion throughout the entire internet. I have yet to see anything but possibly 1 in 1,000 people make any kind of claim about the HD DVD addon as this guy is.

Yes, well that proves that you are lying. AVS is full of posts from people having quality problems with the XBox360 HD add-on. Most problems revolve around the poor software decoding implementation, rather than the drive itself. Just producing a new Blu-Ray add-on will not solve those problems. The whole decoding subsystem needs to be re-written, as it was a rushed, botched job.

Perhaps outsource this to Sony?

QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 18 2008, 05:01 AM)

This thread is full of nothing but rubbish between you all. By the way calling someone a MOFO in here twice gets you in strife.

Apparently not. It seems quite acceptable in this forum to use any language you like. Just what I would expect from a bunch of kiddies.

[SphtKr76]

QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 18 2008, 07:19 PM)

Hahahahahahahaha....

Yes, well that proves that you are lying. AVS is full of posts from people having quality problems with the XBox360 HD add-on. Most problems revolve around the poor software decoding implementation, rather than the drive itself. Just producing a new Blu-Ray add-on will not solve those problems. The whole decoding subsystem needs to be re-written, as it was a rushed, botched job.

Wrong. ALL HD DVD and Blu Ray players have some issues with disc playback, even the vaunted PS3. I won a Toshiba HD DVD player, a PS3 and the 360 add on drive, and can say that they have all had disc issues at one point. Do you own one to be able to make an informed opinion, or are you just going off of other people on the interwebs opinion? Yeah, thats what I thought. Go back to your Blu-Ray.com, or are you a Sonydefenseforce.com guy?

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(denverdallas @ Feb 19 2008, 02:19 AM)

Hahahahahahahaha....

/snip

Why are you trolling?? This thread is already being moderated and will just result in your stuff being deleted.

Seriously, grow up.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Feb 19 2008, 10:05 AM)

Why are you trolling?? This thread is already being moderated and will just result in your stuff being deleted.

Seriously, grow up.

Nobody reply to him any more. His posts are purely antagonistic. I will see to his posting rights now so please ignore his comments completely. It will be his last post in here.
 Edit
 He is away for a fortnight. If anyone spots him posting here under a new account let me know.
 The thread carries on and thank you to those that are contributing viewpoints from both sides of the field, sensibly
2nd Edit
He is away for good so we can forget him.

[0794]

wow, quite an interesting mess earlier in this thread...

anyways, i welcome the idea of either a blu-ray internal and/or external drive as long as the regular 360s continue to be sold.  hopefully the childish bashing of either format will start to cease and the consumers can see some benefits of a united front with current HD optical media.

as for me, i will wait for prices to come down as owning an HD player is just not that big of a deal for me right now since i am satisfied with my current home theater and upscaled DVDs or HD broadcasts...that should provide me ample time to explore all of the HD-on demand capabilities currently offered and/or soon to be released...

[hawkolugy]

QUOTE(Lezlyte @ Feb 18 2008, 06:40 PM)

The HD-DVD player doesn't allow a magical upgrade to the 360's graphical output.  You are limited to 1080i over component no matter what type of picture the 360 is outputing (game, DVD, dashboard).  However, 1080i and 1080p have the same resolution, so the difference is in sharpness, the scaling would remain the same.

Actually it does allow 1080p over component but I meant to say non-digital inputs like component or VGA will the Blu drive allow 1080p over VGA like the HD DVD?