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Both formats are equal in terms of quality.
Trying to argue either is a loosing bet for both sides.

HD-DVD does beat Blu-Ray Players in terms of price.
The price of Blu-Ray Players can quickly change if Paramount turns blu.
It will only take about 12 more months for Blu-Ray to hit that magical 199 price range if they do.

The media has since equaled in terms of price.
Great deals can now be had on both sides.

To the HD-DVD camp... Save Farscape! 05/08!

[Chancer]

Blu Ray prices will drop quickly. Sony has now developed a smaller less costly laser unit.
 what I want to know is which of the cheap HD-DVD models are actually still in full production as a current model. Clearing Toshiba stock is not long term thinking.

[photoman]

QUOTE(HackMy360 @ Jan 24 2008, 03:25 AM)

Another fact that really irritates Blu Ray fanboys:

According to IMDB these exclusive companies have the US distribution rights to the following number of movies:

Universal - 5331
Paramoun - 5753
Dreamworks - 95
Weinstein - 183

Total 11362 films

20th Century Fox - 755
SOny Pictures - 419
Disney Buena Vista - 727
MGM - 3639
Columbia/Tri Star - 4323
Warner Brothers - 4623

Total: 14783

Grand Total of all movies from these companies: 26145
11362/26145 = 43%

Meaning HD DVD has 43% of all catalog titles available for potential release on it's format. It's completely laughable to hear that BDA has 80% of the major studios. Who cares when Fox/Sony/Buena Vista/Disney all acount for less than 2000 movies. That's not even half of Universal's back catalog.

I look at these numbers and think about QUALITY over QUANTITY. There are so many crap movies out there that I would never purchase from any of the studios, that these numbers can't truly mean anything.

Plus if Universal were to pump out all 5000+ movies they have in HD-DVD they wouldn't have anywhere to put them.

ANd having 43% of the market doesn't mean you win. You still lose.

[Elemino]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jan 26 2008, 09:02 AM)

Blu Ray prices will drop quickly. Sony has now developed a smaller less costly laser unit.
 what I want to know is which of the cheap HD-DVD models are actually still in full production as a current model. Clearing Toshiba stock is not long term thinking.

The HD-A3 & the HD-A30 which are the newest two just released a couple of months ago are the two models being discussed. The HD-A3 is $150 and the HD-A30 is $200. They're not being clearanced, they are the current models at the moment.

QUOTE(slappynutz @ Jan 24 2008, 11:10 PM)

Where to begin.

- Blu-Ray players are NOT $600 (try half that, usually less).

- The discs are NOT $30 (in fact they are on average CHEAPER than HD-DVDs -- I never pay more than $20 each).

- HD-DVD discs are nowhere near the same price as DVDs.

- The HD-DVD player you can buy for $150 cannot display 1080p, only 1080i.

- Bluray starts at $399 in my store for the Sony BDP-S300, Samsung BD-P1400, and the Panasonic DMP-BD10A. The Sony BDP-S500, which is the one that supports most of the features of the Toshiba HD-A30 is currently $599 after a $100 price drop by sony.

- On average ALL of the H(igh)D(ef) movies cost about $10 more than their DVD counterparts. Of course Wal-Mart and Amazon are a little different from the typical retail store.

- HD DVD discs may not be the same price as DVD, but the HD-A3 actually cost LESS than some of our upconverting DVD players.

- True the $150 model does not display 1080p, but the $200 model does, and it still comes in far cheaper than any blu-ray player.

[FCTE]

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Jan 26 2008, 06:01 AM)

For those of you wanting this format war to end, you need to think things through here very clearly.  The format war is the driving force behind all of these bogo sales on movies and getting hardware down into the affordable price-range.   If you think that you aren't going to be stuck paying $25-$30 a movie on a regular basis or $300+ for a player if Blu-Ray wins then think again.  If HD-DVD were able to pull it off though it would be very different since players are very close to the price-point at which mass adoption can occur.

This is the biggest load of BS.


The format war is still on once one of the HD formats falls for good. Whoever wins has to compete against DVD. They won't be able to win people over and convert them by gouging them with high prices.

What you're saying makes no business sense at all.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(FCTE @ Jan 26 2008, 12:05 PM)

This is the biggest load of BS.
The format war is still on once one of the HD formats falls for good. Whoever wins has to compete against DVD. They won't be able to win people over and convert them by gouging them with high prices.

What you're saying makes no business sense at all.

actually, what he's saying does make business sense. the format war is artificially driving the price down via the movies included bundles. if hd dvd was to win, the fact that it is cheaper to produce then bluray, and becoming cheaper every day would mean it wouldn't be too long before hd-dvd could compete against dvd on a price level. $150 for a player is what the general public (who can't tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p) want. once the price drops below $100, its marketable to the general public instead of just the techies who are involved in the format war right now.

also, sony has ALWAYS attached a price premium to any format they have had in the past (look at betamax, mini discs, super audio cds, UMD's, and if blueray wins the format war, expect to see jesters price being pretty accurate there too)

[Chancer]

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also, sony has ALWAYS attached a price premium to any format they have had in the past (look at betamax, mini discs, super audio cds, UMD's, and if blueray wins the format war, expect to see jesters price being pretty accurate there too)

 Then why have Sony spent hard cash and developed a cheaper smaller laser assy for Blu Ray?
You are assuming something that you can not say for sure at the moment simply because it's Sony.

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QUOTE(zX_Storm @ Jan 24 2008, 11:18 AM)

. As for bottlenecking progress.. what the heck? Blu-ray IS NEW technology. HD-DVD still uses a red laser. How is that for technological progression/evolution?

HD-DVD is no more "backwards compatible" with DVD than Blu-ray. Both discs can have a DVD layer on it. In fact, Blu-ray was the first to announce both layers on a single disc with prototype, almost a month before HD-DVD camp had a working prototype.

As mentioned earlier, HD DVD does not use a red laser. Also the Blu Ray group does not have permission from the DVD forum to include a DVD layer, or do combo discs. They may at some point in the future, but not currently.

QUOTE(biscoito @ Jan 24 2008, 07:25 PM)

It uses that ultraviolet thing, I was getting sick of that red color of the laser used by cds, dvds and HD DVD players, they should have made these lasers in different colors along time ago  

See above.



One more thing, unless your TV or PJ supports 1080p/24 then a 1080i player will give you the same PQ as a 1080p player, unless your TV is really bad at de-interlacing. I have test both the HD-A2 and the A20 on my Samsung (HL-S6187w) and get zero difference in PQ.

[mc_365]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jan 26 2008, 08:04 PM)

Then why have Sony spent hard cash and developed a cheaper smaller laser assy for Blu Ray?
You are assuming something that you can not say for sure at the moment simply because it's Sony.

I would think so they can build players cheaper than the other manufacturers.

Then License the use of this new technology to those other manufacturers.

At the same time keeping the high royalty fees in place.

Which in turn will cause the players made by those other manufactures to remain at high prices relative to the Sony made PS3.

This will continue to drive PS3 sales.

PS3 sales will continue to be base of Bluray statistics, which Sony will use to support the adoption of Bluray and the sucess of its gaming division.

And I still am against Bluray in its current incarnation despite the shrewd moves by Sony.

I prefer Region Free, Inexpensive, Fast Loading, Interactive, and Picture in Picture in my player.

And I am not a fanboy as I don't own either format.
I was going to get a new Plasma and HD-DVD with my 2007 Bonus but then the Warner Bro. News put me back on the side line.  I will now have to wait till either HD-DVD is truly dead (no choice), Studios agree to release in HD-DVD, or a Bluray player that is comparable in all aspects is available.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(mc_365 @ Jan 27 2008, 03:06 AM)

I would think so they can build players cheaper than the other manufacturers.

Then License the use of this new technology to those other manufacturers.

At the same time keeping the high royalty fees in place.

Which in turn will cause the players made by those other manufactures to remain at high prices relative to the Sony made PS3.

This will continue to drive PS3 sales.

 I can see what you are saying but the rest of the manufacturers would turn on Sony were this the case. Sony with all their might can not afford to alienate such a group.
It is not the case in point at the moment and I can still purchase the Samsung player cheaper than the PS3 and cheaper than the Sony offerings. If Sony was even at present charging other manufacturers more for their developed components, then the Samsung would not be lower in price than the relative Sony players.

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I was going to get a new Plasma and HD-DVD with my 2007 Bonus but then the Warner Bro. News put me back on the side line. I will now have to wait till either HD-DVD is truly dead (no choice)

 i would have thought now was the time to buy a HD DVD player. the price of the Toshiba players is almost as cheap as buying a branded DVD player.
 I already have BR but it will not stop me buying a Toshiba HD DVD player this week.

[mc_365]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jan 27 2008, 12:15 PM)

I can see what you are saying but the rest of the manufacturers would turn on Sony were this the case. Sony with all their might can not afford to alienate such a group.
It is not the case in point at the moment and I can still purchase the Samsung player cheaper than the PS3 and cheaper than the Sony offerings. If Sony was even at present charging other manufacturers more for their developed components, then the Samsung would not be lower in price than the relative Sony players.
 i would have thought now was the time to buy a HD DVD player. the price of the Toshiba players is almost as cheap as buying a branded DVD player.
 I already have BR but it will not stop me buying a Toshiba HD DVD player this week.

Currious are either one of those players profile 1.1?

[Chancer]

QUOTE(mc_365 @ Jan 27 2008, 10:23 PM)

Currious are either one of those players profile 1.1?

The current models are not as you know. The PS3 of course is. I suppose the time to compare is when new players with the smaller laser assy are mass released.
TBH the extra content and PIP is not really appealing with either. I don't ever watch the extras on DVDs so I can't see I will bother watching them  at all with the Toshiba