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[signal-to-noise-ratio]

QUOTE(Trex666 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:37 AM)

Oi oi, its called backing up and securing our investments
Yeah HDCP sucks, its just as bad as starforce, without the starforce certified monitor

Im so glad I never had to deal with starforce none of the games I bought had it. That was such a mess. I remember seeing stuff about it.

http://www.glop.org/starforce/

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StarForce (all version known until August 2006) creates a real security problem when installed. The access control list of the drivers are set such that any user, including those without administrative rights, are allowed to change the association with the executable. Exploitation is simple: The user changes it to point at any arbitrarily chosen executable, which is executed with full system privileges on next reboot. This can be verified with the security tool "srvcheck2", which detects such potentially insecure driver configurations.

http://en.wikipedia....rce#Controversy

[0794]

Although I personally have no use for this, it is nice to see that these giant corporations and such cannot keep limiting the content that they sell to us - people will find a work-around to protect their investments!

[0794]

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 04:43 PM)

Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)

protecting them from children...nowhere is too high nor too hidden for those creatures...

[roguetel]

The saying easy come, easy go does not apply to a 21st century consumer in the modern world.

I have scratched/ruined discs by accidentally putting pressure on the CD/DVD tray when inserting or removing them. The door automatically closes and the media will get jammed half in/half out. Most of the time the player will not eject because it is stuck. Prying my $20 or $30 Audio CD, DVD, HD DVD out of that situation makes me wish I had taken the time to back it up. Not to mention my $60 game.

What a win for the honest consumer, people need to backup their hard earned investments.

Big thanks to all those involved.

[Trex666]

Once Trusted Computing takes full swing would this all still be possible?
I dont think so, since keys are currently in unprotected memory, the Trusted Computing chip will take care of it instead making it much harder to get a hold of
Oh and bluray FTW

[Bizquick]

I dont know were to be happy about this or mad. I mean I was really pushing HD-DVD. But the movie companys are loosing money due to big money actors and crazy production costs. This is only going to push Blu Ray as the new standard. Only because of the fact it will be more secure. these Dual layer discs that will have both formats are still a little bit way from being done. So I dont know over all the movie companys may just skip that and just go with Blu Ray till that gets cracked. I just wish this happend with Blu ray getting cracked around the same time then it would be equal. this just ameks sony look better right now. But its great they did hack this for the backup a pirates.

[w4rrior]

Umm blue ray is next.. im sure they use the same kind of protection so this shouldnt take long

[Andronicus]

Great Job

As for Blue-Ray vs HD-DVD.  It is going to be a draw.  With the dual players, and dual disks, the consumer is not going to care.  Much like DVDR+ and DVDR-, it all will just be a  wash.

[JayDee]

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 11:43 PM)

I just hope this...anti-security measure won't kill HD-DVD and put Blu-Ray ahead.

Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)

People that do not want to buy a HDCP compliant gfx card/monitor/tv just becouse some company says so...

If i have a year old projector i might want to hook it up via VGA to get 1080, but wont be able to with the original disc (due to HDCP)

With this i can...

[Transfer]

BlueRay has an additional layer of security over HD DVD.

This was probably put there for a reason.  They knew that the first thing that can be compromised is AACS.

Once that is compromised HD DVD has had it.  And Blue Ray can now do what?  They can lobby that their format is more secure since it hasn't been compromised yet (meaning they have one more layer of security before it gets compromised).

By doing this they can push their format ahead after AACS was compromised (which they knew it would be in time).

It's a smart business move on behalf of BlueRay.  It doesn't matter how secure BD+ is.  The only thing that matters business wise, in order to convince the key people, is that generally BlueRay has more security than HD DVD and therefore you should protect your, meaning the movie studios, etc., investment by using our technology to distribute your works.

If there is more security that your work (movie, etc.) won't be compromised, then you should go that route.

That's why it was smart for the creators of BlueRay to make it AACS compliant plus BD+ compliant.

[Bizquick]

QUOTE(Transfer @ Jan 15 2007, 09:29 AM)

BlueRay has an additional layer of security over HD DVD.

This was probably put there for a reason.  They knew that the first thing that can be compromised is AACS.

Once that is compromised HD DVD has had it.  And Blue Ray can now do what?  They can lobby that their format is more secure since it hasn't been compromised yet (meaning they have one more layer of security before it gets compromised).

By doing this they can push their format ahead after AACS was compromised (which they knew it would be in time).

It's a smart business move on behalf of BlueRay.  It doesn't matter how secure BD+ is.  The only thing that matters business wise, in order to convince the key people, is that generally BlueRay has more security than HD DVD and therefore you should protect your, meaning the movie studios, etc., investment by using our technology to distribute your works.

If there is more security that your work (movie, etc.) won't be compromised, then you should go that route.

That's why it was smart for the creators of BlueRay to make it AACS compliant plus BD+ compliant.

Dam I guess this means that the pirates can be blamed pretty much if HD-DVD fails to make it. I wish they waited to release this till Blu Ray was cracked. cause its so early on now they could just abandon the format now and be done with it. next time guys try to think about what this will do for standards if you don't treat each of them equal. I'm all for hacking and backups. But this early on with the standards you could be the source of the failure of one vs the other.

[JayDee]

One MAJOR factor in the favor of HD-DVD: The porn industry...

You would be surprised at how much pull they have on formats and they are backing up HD-DVD.

http://tgdaily.com/2..._hddvd_blu_ray/

http://tech.netscape...-boosts-hd-dvd/

http://www.cdfreaks....s_-Blu-ray.html

[Tcornwall]

QUOTE(signal-to-noise-ratio @ Jan 14 2007, 05:07 PM)

Technology is a tool it can be used for good or bad. This willl help people not have to spend money on frivilous new monitors to play hd content also it will help people protect their investments and not have to buy new movies by keeping the originals safely stored away and running backups. Im happy with an upscaled line doubled dvd. The creative dxr3/ hollywood used to kick back in the day. Im gonna wait a while on any type of hd disc.

I'm sorry, but I think it humorous when people make these statements.  Who takes the time to rip a DVD or in this case an HDDVD, just so they can preserve the original?  Answer in short only someone who has a young child and that's about it.

You are being dishonest if you say that you make backups and play those and put the originals in a safe.

Sorry if this sounds to harsh, but I'm 31 years old, and in the technology field.

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 11:43 PM)

I just hope this...anti-security measure won't kill HD-DVD and put Blu-Ray ahead.

Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)

I agree 100%