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[Wilhelm_I]

QUOTE(dieselmachine @ May 20 2007, 08:24 AM)

I'd also like to help out in whatever way I can. I am not banned yet, so I can packet sniff too. What program are you using to do this, and do I need to have the 360 plugged into my computer to use this, or can it somehow monitor the router traffic?

As I think windows is too buggy and unsecure I am using unix...
I am using ettercap to arp-spoof[man in the middle] the packages.
And Ethereal for the sniffing[you should add a package filter like "host *YOURXBOXSIP*]...
You should have a big harddisk as if you are hosting the logfile may have around 500MB after 45 minutes...
These apps are probably also available for windows so just check google...
Your Emperor
Wilhelm I

[stupid2ass]

QUOTE(Prozmonkey @ May 20 2007, 07:31 AM)

if you do the connection test again ... when it fails click on ip address or network adapter and it will say there your banned

yea it'll fail at the Live portion of the test. that's how i found out (we all have the same Z error code).  oh well, time to buy another Core.  
c'mon microsoft.  hurry up and drop the price of the 360 already lol

[Phat Phreddy]

QUOTE(Scriber @ May 20 2007, 02:11 PM)

Consoles with no hard drive cannot connect to live, as there is no space to put the profile information..or any information from live for that matter

Keep drinking the kool aid..

QUOTE(dieselmachine @ May 20 2007, 02:24 PM)

I'd also like to help out in whatever way I can. I am not banned yet, so I can packet sniff too. What program are you using to do this, and do I need to have the 360 plugged into my computer to use this, or can it somehow monitor the router traffic?

Hmm packet sniffing instructions..

If you need to ask.. Then its not something for you..

[ThUgLoVe]

it cant be that they can see modded FW,if so EVERYONE would be off live right now,just like with modchips on the xbox1..its been almost a week a now and by now if any FW were safe everyone using that FW would still be on..but that doesnt seem to be the case from what ive read atleast.

it has to be the way iso's and dvdr's are being made overall as i highly doubt everyone downloaded their backups.i also doubt that you only get baned when online.i think something was put into the new spring update that sees dvdrs are being used,throws up a flag,b4 you log onto live the system checks with the dash board to see if the flag has been rased if so BANED if not your logged on.

this theory does have some holes.

how are the ppl with stock 360's getting banned?i dont know maybe the code used to check if a dvd+r dl is being used is a bit fuzzy?

if you download an update from xbox.com and burn to a disk to update offline,what media is used? if its a cd-r then this theory could still be true.

i mean really think about it,if they have been loging info for a while now,then why allow some modders to stay on?

the fact that stock box's are getting banned seems to point away from collecting data then acting.if the stock boxs that were banned were all returns,dont you think they would remove that box from the ban system b4 sending them out to new customers?

i think everyone was worried about MS being able to tell if the hardware had been changed that they left a door open on the software side of things.maybe more is need then just dmi,pfi,ect.

[dumdum]

oh well back to drawing board than sorry about your ban mate

at times i feel like there was some joker at xbox who while drunk randomly flagged users for ban and now they are laughing their ass off while ms tech support people are grinding their teeth answering to querries. Somehow i am not able to see any pattern till now which doesnt makes sense

all the attempts till now to connect the dots has led to a brick wall ..... time will tell guys

[gusradio]

QUOTE(LesserEvil @ May 20 2007, 03:48 AM)

9. The dashboard is able to detect when the system is tuned on, but the DVD is disconnected - indicating somebody is probably flashing the drive. Again, it's possible unmodded 360s might get caught in this dragnet, just from a routine glitch here and there.

NOT BANNED

I have never had my 360 on without the DVD-DRIVE atteched.  I use the connectivity kit.

Theories:

1) M$ stopped banning momentarily to investigate Possibility of consoles being banned without flashed firmware.  Due to the fact that once a console is Banned it will probably be impossible to UNBAN. They'll be back at the ban wave soon.

2) The thing about the consoles booting to the dashboard withou the DVD Drvie attached (so you can power the drive while flashing) is mildly interesing but likely not an issue.

3) I honestly beleive that there are certain discs that folks are downloading and using that fail the checks on XBOX LIVE.  Either they spin too fast, are not Stealth, are  in some minor way not 1to1, are part of serial number batches that were flagged.

I've only been backing up my own games and stealth patching them, so I'm not affected by this.  Also I rarely if ever use a disc on XBL period.  XBL is just what i use for updates and gamerpicture downloads.

Since I don't know their method for banning, I'm just going to assume I will be banned from XBL in the near future (if i stay attached to it).  Even if I knew for sure I would be banned I would still mod my console and backup my investment in games.

[LesserEvil]

Another thread mentions the possibility of Booktype reporting as a possible culprit.

What, exactly does a drive with Xtreme report? Is it at all possible to access the media properties of a DVD+R DL disc, even when the booktype reports as DVD-ROM?

My Kreon drive isn't much help here... but then again, it's not set up to "fool" anything.

I'm sure C4E and the Specialist have covered the bases well on this count, but it would be interesting to know if something might have gotten missed.


I'm wondering if they are detecting many unbanned systems, but choose not to ban them because they don't use backups while playing live.

[GARRYB]

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=604194

check out my theory

[SambinoNYC]

Anyone ever think that the whole thing has to do with the status of your drive when performing the spring update it self?  Wild theory I guess....or is it?  If you had a backup in drive when performing the update=banned If had nothing in drive dvd movie or original game=not banned......SO many theories so much wanting to play h3 lol

[mikester18]

Here is my take on the whole thing i think M$ is possibly using one of the following theories.



1) Simple yet easiest to do the Crackdown release as well as many other released copy's were released before  the launch date if played on a live profile would show being played on that profile before the release date easiest way to detect a pirated copy.

2) Someone on this board posted this one having a non stealth patched xtreme firmware meaning before v3.0 could have gotten the game recognized and then banned.


3) crackdown includes the download for the H3 Beta which was mass distributed every copy of crackdown could have a single serial or authentication code for downloading the beta so once used the beta is authorized for download and then begins if used more than once MS is notified and then bans the console using the copy of crackdown.


I feel that M$ may be deploying many different ways to ban people which they have every right to do we should be lucky that they are not bricking the console since it is illegal to play pirated copy's i might not agree with M$ but i have to respect there wishes having 2 consoles is not so bad considering the amount of money saved on replacing scratched discs.

[aswilbourn]

Just a quick theory, may be absolute bullsh*t but i'll just give you the info.

My mate has ghost recon 2 original copy his xbox is not modified.

My other mate has a modified xbox and a backup copy of my other mates original Ghost Recon 2.

Both play against each other online basically using the same game (an original and a backup).

Both are banned.

This makes me think Microsoft may be looking far duplicate copies of the same game running at the same time as their way of banning people. Cause technically the only way you can have the exact same game running on two different systems is if you are playing a back up.

This would also be why people who have been downloading games have been banned quicker as it is easier to see the duplicates as 1000s will have downloaded them rather than those people who have been copying your mates.

As anyone whos just been playing backups of the games the actually own online (nobody else has a copy of that exact game) been banned?

[thor99]

I’ve read most of these theories time and time again on other post. What seems to be having good luck is that if you have a new console that has not been on live, then you update your firmware to the latest one it appears that most are not getting banned. And I don’t mean a console that you bought 3 months ago and say that I never play it but once or twice, it’s new. I mean a console you bought 2 hours ago or one that has truly never been connected to your network.  I’ve read many posts from people that seem to be unbanned by having never been on live and updated their new console. And I myself am one of them, and I’m using a new core console with my old Premium 20gig HD. And I have spring update, and have been fine for days now downloading from live. So maybe this helps..